Mar 23, 2023 Legislative Session

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

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THIS IS MEETING NUMBER SIX OF THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE, MARCH 23RD, 2023.

MR. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL?

[ ROLL CALL]

PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE.

MOMENT OF SILENCE. PLEASE JOIN.

AMEN. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING IF YOU ARE ABLE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH WILL BE LED BY LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI.

THANK YOU. ON WITH OUR AGENDA.

TABLED ITEMS, THERE ARE NONE ITEMS FOR RECONSIDERATION FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

THERE ARE NONE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

[ MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING - Meetings No. 5]

SECOND. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MEETING NUMBER FIVE MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

THE SECOND BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[ MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS:]

MAJORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MOVED TO CONSIDER. SECOND.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO CONSIDER MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER HAS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED.

CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY TO MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE NOT BEFORE THE BODY.

MAJORITY LEADER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THAT ALL SPONSORSHIPS A PROPER MOTION TO AMEND TO MAKE THAT ALL MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER AND SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMORE ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

THE MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE AMENDED.

MAJORITY LEADER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO MOVE APPROVE AS AMENDED MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER AND SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMORE ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. THE MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE APPROVED AS AMENDED.

WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS THIS AFTERNOON AND THE FIRST IS FROM LEGISLATOR GREENE.

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING LEGISLATOR GREEN'S PRESENTATION, LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI WILL TAKE THE DAIS.

YEAH. YEAH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO LET'S EVEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

IT'S NO SECRET THAT BUFFALO IS A SPORTS CITY.

WE LOVE OUR BILLS.

WE LOVE OUR SABERS.

AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS TO WATCH THIS THIS COMMUNITY EMBRACE UB AND OTHER COLLEGE ATHLETICS AS WELL.

TONIGHT, I WILL CERTAINLY DO MY BEST TO TUNE IN AND WATCH THE GOLDEN GRIFFINS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW OUR ESTEEMED PROFESSOR OVER THERE.

I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ROOTING ON THE GOLDEN GRIFFINS AS THEY TAKE ON MINNESOTA.

BUT ONE NAME SYNONYMOUS WITH SPORTS IN BUFFALO IS HOWARD SIMON.

AND NOT JUST AS A BROADCASTER, BUT ALSO AS A PARTICIPANT.

SO HOWARD AND I MET EACH OTHER PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 15, 18, 20 YEARS AGO.

I WAS I HAD A BROTHER THAT PLAYED FOR GR 55 AND THAT WORKED AT GR 55, PLAYED ON THE SOFTBALL TEAM.

AND AT THE TIME HOWARD HAD JUST COME OVER, HE WAS NEW TO THE NEW TO THE TEAM AT GR 55 AND THEY HAD A SOFTBALL TEAM AND HOWARD DECIDES HE'S GOING TO BE THE TEAM PLAYER AND COME AND JOIN US TO PLAY.

AND HIS FIRST TIME UP AT BAT HE LACES THE SNOT OUT OF THE BALL RIGHT TO THE CHEST OF THE SECOND BASEMAN AND LINES OUT SECOND TIME UP AT BAT HE HITS A BALL GROUNDER TO SHORTSTOP.

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AND I STARTED TO REALIZE AS I ENTERED MY 40 SECONDS HOW EASY IT IS TO PULL CERTAIN MUSCLES.

AND IT WAS AN HONOR, THOUGH, TO TO MEET HIM THAT DAY BECAUSE HE WAS AN ICON IN THE SPORTS BROADCASTING COMMUNITY.

AND I'M A SPORTS GUY, SO IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE HIM HERE TODAY ON HIS ON HIS RETIREMENT.

SO IF I MAY, PLEASE LET ME READ THIS RESOLUTION.

THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE SEEKS TO HONOR INDIVIDUALS IN ERIE COUNTY THAT ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THEIR EFFORTS.

AND. WHEREAS, HOWARD SIMON WAS BORN IN BROOKLYN, GREW UP IN LONG ISLAND AND FIRST CAME TO BUFFALO IN 1980 TO ATTEND BUFFALO STATE COLLEGE.

SIMON WANTED TO BECOME A SPORTS BROADCASTER FROM A YOUNG AGE, AND AFTER BEING IMMERSED IN BUFFALO SPORTS DURING HIS COLLEGE YEARS, READING, WATCHING AND LISTENING TO THE LOCAL BROADCASTERS AND JOURNALISTS, HE KNEW HE WANTED TO FULFILL HIS DREAM IN BUFFALO.

AND. WHEREAS, HOWARD SIMON BEGAN HIS RADIO CAREER IN ELMIRA, NEW YORK, IN TOLEDO, OHIO, WORKING IN NEWS, TRAFFIC REPORTING AND AS A COUNTRY MUSIC DJ, BEFORE RECEIVING HIS FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN SPORTS RADIO WITH WJJL IN THE WESTERN NEW YORK REGION.

AND. WHEREAS, HOWARD SIMON MADE BUFFALO HIS HOME WHEN HE MET AND MARRIED JOANNE IN 1996.

AND TOGETHER THEY HAVE A SON, JONATHAN, WHO SHARES HIS FATHER'S LOVE FOR SPORTS AND CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE NEW YORK YANKEES.

AND. WHEREAS, HOWARD SIMON'S CAREER IN BUFFALO INCLUDED WORKING FOR WJJL, WGN EMPIRE SPORTS NETWORK AND WJR, WHERE THE BROADCAST TEAM WON A MARCONI AWARD IN 2009 FOR SPORTS STATION OF THE YEAR AND RANKED FOURTH PLACE IN MID MARKET IN 2022 BY BARRETT SPORTS MEDIA.

AND. WHEREAS, HOWARD SIMON BROADCASTED DURING THE BUFFALO BILLS FOUR STRAIGHT SUPER BOWL APPEARANCES IN 91, 92, 93 AND 94, AND THE BUFFALO SABERS STANLEY CUP FINALS SERIES IN 1999 AND THE NCAA TOURNAMENT BERTH FOR EACH OF THE BIG FOUR SCHOOLS BUFFALO BANDITS CHAMPIONS AND BUFFALO BISONS CHAMPIONSHIP.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.

THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE PAUSES IN ITS DELIBERATIONS TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE HOWARD SIMON FOR 33 YEARS OF SPORTS BROADCASTING, WHERE HIS WORK HELPED CONNECT THE COMMUNITY OF WESTERN NEW YORK SPORTS FANS.

AS WE CELEBRATE THRILLING VICTORIES AND OF COURSE, GRIEVED HEARTBREAKING DEFEATS TOGETHER.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE BEST AND WORST TO US.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT.

AND I AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT, I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER IN BUFFALO AND SPORTS IS ONE OF THEM.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE MY COLLEAGUES, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PERSUASION UP HERE TOGETHER IN CELEBRATING YOUR RETIREMENT.

CONGRATULATIONS. SAY ANYTHING? NO. YOU GUYS, THE GUYS.

I TALK FOR A LIVING, BUT I'M DONE.

I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. NO, YOU DON'T.

I WANT ADAM TO SPOT THAT.

SO. ABSOLUTELY. NO, THANK YOU, GUYS.

THIS IS REALLY. I'M JUST THE GUY WHO TALKING ABOUT SPORTS, SO IT DOES MEAN VERY MUCH TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY.

REALLY? IT MEANS A LOT TO US.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING ME BACK, TALKING TO THE SUPERVISOR.

OH, YEAH. OKAY. WELL, SHE'LL BE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU.

WHOEVER'S.

I'LL START. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

EVERYBODY HERE IN FRONT OF YOU ON YOUR DESK.

THERE'S A NICE EASTER GIFT FOR EVERYBODY THIS YEAR.

UM, OVER HERE TO MY RIGHT IS ADAM CIHOCKI FROM CAMELIA FOODS.

I'D LIKE TO BRING ADAM UP OVER HERE.

HOW ARE YOU TODAY? I STAND UP HERE BEFORE EVERYBODY TODAY.

VERY THANKFUL, THANKFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A FAMILY TRADITION OF MINE, SOMETHING THAT I WAS BROUGHT UP IN AND

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AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONS THAT THAT HAPPEN IN LIFE SEEM TO GO AWAY OVER TIME.

AND THIS IS ONE THAT I BELIEVE IS A BUFFALO STAPLE.

IT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER.

AND I REALLY HOPE THAT IT CONTINUES TO STAY AROUND.

AND THE WORK THAT ADAM AND CAMELIA FOODS IS DOING IS ENSURING THAT THE MALCZEWSKI BUTTER LAMBS WILL BE AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO COME.

THE BUTTER LAMBS WERE STARTED BY MY GRANDMOTHER IN 1963 AS SHE HAD A STAND AT THE BROADWAY MARKET MALCZEWSKI POULTRY SHOP.

AND WITH THAT STAND, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS POULTRY.

SHE HAD A WOODEN MOLD WHICH WAS BROUGHT OVER FROM POLAND BY HER FATHER THAT SHE FOUND IN THE ATTIC.

AND LOOKING TO EXPAND ON THE OFFERINGS DOWN THERE, THE BUTTER LAMB WAS BORN.

IT'S AMAZING HOW SOMETHING SO SMALL AND SIMPLE CAN CAN MOVE FORWARD INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 50 OR 60 YEARS LATER HAS BECOME A STAPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THE BUTTER LAMB BASICALLY WAS A CATHOLIC TRADITION.

THERE'S A MEANING BEHIND EVERYTHING ON THERE.

THE LAMB REPRESENTS JESUS CHRIST.

THE PEPPERCORNS AND THE EYES REPRESENT THE LIGHT OF GOD.

THE RED RIBBON AROUND THE NECK REPRESENTS THE BLOOD OF GOD.

AND THE ALLELUIA FLAG REPRESENTS PEACE ON EARTH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS STAYED CONSISTENT OVER TIME.

IT'S GONE FROM A VERY STANDARD CATHOLIC TRADITION TO ALSO A TABLE DECORATION.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE CATHOLIC TO HAVE ONE OF THESE FINE PIECES OF ART ON YOUR TABLE OVER HERE.

I WAS FORTUNATE I WAS ABLE TO WORK DOWN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

AND EVERY TIME THE MEDIA CAME IN ON GOOD FRIDAY, I WAS TOSSED OVER THERE.

AND I'M HEARING THERE'S A VIDEO FROM 1989 THAT'S STILL ON A CONTINUOUS REEL OVER THERE AT THE MARKET THAT HAS A YOUNG JIM MALCZEWSKI CARRYING BUTTER LAMBS AROUND OVER THERE.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS A GOOD LAUGH, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND GOING AND LOOKING THAT UP.

BUT ON THAT NOTE, MY GRANDMOTHER WORKED DOWN AT THE MARKET.

SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2004.

UM, OR I'M SORRY, SHE RETIRED IN 2004.

SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2013.

CAMELIA CAME IN.

MY FATHER RAN THE BUSINESS FROM THE TIME MY GRANDMOTHER RETIRED.

THEY CAME IN AND TOOK OVER IN 2012 AND HAD THEIR FIRST YEAR OF PRODUCTION IN 2013.

I STAND HERE TODAY, TEN YEARS LATER, COMMENDING THEM ON EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE AND THEY'VE GROWN THE BUSINESS AND THEY'VE TAKEN IT FROM A LOCAL STAPLE COMPLETELY ACROSS TO THE EAST COAST OVER HERE.

AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO GO IN THEIR PRODUCTION FACILITY TWO WEEKS AGO WITH ADAM.

AND WHEN I WAS IN THERE, WHEN HE OPENED THAT DOOR, THAT SMELL OF BUTTER, IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD THAT WHERE YOU WALK INTO A BUTTER ROOM, IT'S AMAZING.

AND I HAVEN'T HAD THAT SMELL IN ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS.

SO IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE WOODEN BULBS STILL IN USE OVER THERE THAT WERE BROUGHT OVER.

THEY'VE BEEN MODIFIED. THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED, BUT THEY'RE REALLY DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO CONTINUE THE TRADITION.

SO I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.

AND WITH THAT, I HAVE A PROCLAMATION OVER HERE WHICH I WILL READ.

THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATOR SEEKS THE LEGISLATURE SEEKS TO HONOR INSTITUTIONS IN ERIE COUNTY THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPHOLDING TRADITIONS THAT MAKE UP THE CULTURAL FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND. WHEREAS, CHAMELEON MEATS WAS FOUNDED IN 1935 BY MR. EDMUND CIHOCKI SENIOR, A POLISH IMMIGRANT WHO BEGAN HIS OWN BUTCHER BUTCHER SHOP AT 735 WILLIAM STREET, MAKING TRADITIONAL POLISH MEAT RECIPES. AND.

WHEREAS, CHAMELEON MEATS EVENTUALLY MOVED TO 1333, GENESEE STREET EXPANDED INTO A MANUFACTURING PLANT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND CONTINUED TO BUILD THE FAMILY BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN OPERATED BY SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF THE CIHOCKI FAMILY.

AND. WHEREAS, IN 1963.

DORTHY. MALCZEWSKI OPENED A POULTRY STAND IN THE BROADWAY MARKET, THE HEART OF THE BUFFALO POLISH COMMUNITY, AND BEGAN SELLING BUTTER LAMBS AROUND EASTER SEASON, USING THE MOLD BROUGHT TO AMERICA BY HER IMMIGRANT FATHER FROM KRAKOW, POLAND.

AND. WHEREAS, THE BUTTER LAMB TRADITION ORIGINATES AS FAR BACK AS THE MIDDLE AGES IN EASTERN EUROPE AND IS A REFERENCE TO THE LAMB OF GOD WHICH REPRESENTS JESUS AND UNITES EASTERN MEAL WITH THE EUCHARIST OF THE HOLY COMMUNION.

AND. WHEREAS, DESPITE THE MALCZEWSKI BUTTER LAND BEING SOLD IN CHAIN SUPERMARKETS, MANY PEOPLE STILL MAKE THE JOURNEY TO THE BROADWAY MARKET AS PART OF THE ANNUAL EASTER

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WHEREAS, IN 2012, CAMELLIA MEATS PURCHASED THE BUTTER LAMB BUSINESS AND BEGAN PRODUCTION IN EASTER OF 2013.

IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THIS VERY IMPORTANT POLISH NOW BUFFALONIAN TRADITION THAT HAS EXISTED FOR OVER EIGHT CENTURIES.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE PAUSES IN ITS DELIBERATIONS TO RECOGNIZE CHAMELEON MEATS ON THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR PRODUCTION OF THE MALCZEWSKI BUTTER LAMB, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, FOR SAFEGUARDING THE SACRED CULTURAL TRADITION THAT HAS SPREAD THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND BECOME PART OF OUR LOCAL CUSTOMS. SO, ADAM, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

I'LL SAY IT'S BEEN A IT'S BEEN A CRAZY TEN YEARS.

I WAS ONLY ABOUT 22 YEARS OLD WHEN I WAS THROWN INTO THE BUTTER LAND BUSINESS.

I KNOW JIM STARTED OUT PROBABLY MUCH YOUNGER THAN THAT WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER, AND HE'S ON THAT 1989 VIDEO.

AGAIN, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME DOWN AND SPEND ON LOOP FOR THE PAST LIKE FIVE YEARS AT THE BROADWAY MARKET SO YOU CAN SEE HIM WALKING AROUND WITH THEM.

BUT EVERY YEAR, THE PAST TEN YEARS, I'VE TRIED TO I'VE TRIED TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OF MAKING THESE BUTTER LAMBS.

THIS YEAR WE'VE MADE 100,000 OF THESE.

YOU CAN FIND THEM NOT ONLY IN YOUR LOCAL SUPERMARKETS IN BUFFALO, BUT THEY'RE IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN, CLEVELAND, THEY'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH INTO MARYLAND, THE VIRGINIAS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ITEM IS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY IN A LOT OF STATES THAT DO HAVE THE SAME TRADITION THAT WAS BROUGHT OVER FROM THEIR GENERATIONS OVER FROM POLAND AND MANY OTHER EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.

SO IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO CONTINUE THIS TRADITION.

I PLAN ON CONTINUING IT FOR ANOTHER DECADE AND EVEN MORE MAYBE PASS IT DOWN TO MY KIDS ONE DAY.

BUT IT AGAIN, WAS AN HONOR FOR YOUR YOUR DAD, YOUR GRANDMA, AND YOU, TOO, TO RECOGNIZE US AND OUR HISTORY OF BEING A FOURTH GENERATION BUSINESS TO CARRY THIS ON FOR ALL THESE YEARS. SO THANKS AGAIN.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A SPECIAL ONE FOR YOU.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL ON WITH COMMUNITY LOVES LAUFENBERG'S.

A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR WE THANK ALL THE WORK ALREADY PERSONALLY.

YEAH. YEAH.

WE FOCUSED ON THE BUTTER LAMBS TODAY BUT AGAIN I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT WAS MY GRANDFATHER THAT STARTED THAT.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WHEN I'M NOT DOING BUTTER LAMBS, I'M FOCUSED ON THE MEATS.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION.

RIGHT NOW I'M IN MY EASTERN ZONE, SO I GOT TO GET TO APRIL 9TH AND THEN I'LL BE BACK MAKING SAUSAGE AND FOCUSING ON THAT.

THANKS AGAIN. STAY HERE FOR LUNCH, OKAY? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE BAKERY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LEGISLATOR.

THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

I HAVE TO SAY, THE THE THE THE THE RICH FAMILY HISTORY AFFILIATED WITH THIS HONORABLE BODY WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL BUSINESS AND FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, IT IS REALLY, REALLY GROWN MY RESPECT JUST AS A RESIDENT FOR AN APPRECIATION FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERSHIP HERE IN ERIE COUNTY.

THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI BEAUTIFUL STORY.

AND. MAY GOD BLESS THE LEGACY OF YOUR GRANDMOTHER.

OKAY, BACK TO OUR AGENDA.

WE ARE ON PAGE FOUR, WHICH IS LOCAL LAWS, LOCAL LAW INTRO 1-1 AND LOCAL LAW INTRO 3-1 AS INDICATED LOCAL LAW

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CONTINUING ON LOCAL LAW INTRO 2-1 IS RECEIVED AND FILED DUE TO A NEW VERSION OF THIS LOCAL LAW ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

LOCAL LAW INTRO 3-1 IS REFERRED TO THE FINANCE AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

UNDER MY AUTHORITY AS CHAIR AND LOCAL LAW INTRO 1-2 IS ALSO REFERRED TO THE FINANCE AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

UNDER MY AUTHORITY AS CHAIR AND LOCAL LAW INTRO 2-2 IS REFERRED TO THE COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT COMMITTEE.

UNDER MY AUTHORITY AS CHAIR, COMMITTEE REPORTS REPORT NUMBER FOUR FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

[ COMMITTEE REPORTS:]

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE FOR ME TO CONSIDER A MOVE FOR MEETING CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION MADE BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON.

A SECOND. SECOND.

SECOND BY THE MAJORITY LEADER ON THE QUESTION.

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REPORT NUMBER FOUR FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE CHAIR JOHNSON.

MOVE IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

SECOND. PROPER MOTION MADE BY COMMITTEE CHAIR JOHNSON IS THE SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE REPORT IS APPROVED.

REPORT NUMBER FOUR FROM THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE.

MAJORITY LEADER.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO SEPARATE ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE REPORT.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO SEPARATE ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE REPORT MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE BALANCE OF THE REPORT IS APPROVED, LEGISLATOR MYERS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE SECOND LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? GREENE. THE ITEM IS APPROVED.

REPORT NUMBER TWO FROM THE FINANCE AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE CHAIR MYERS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION FOR A MEETING, CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

SECOND. SECOND.

SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATOR GILMOUR. I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE.

OKAY. I'M THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED? THE REPORT IS APPROVED.

REPORT NUMBER THREE FROM THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE.

LEGISLATOR GILMOUR. THANK YOU.

MOVE FOR ME. CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

THERE'S A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL MADE BY COMMITTEE CHAIR GILMOUR HAS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE REPORT IS APPROVED.

AND REPORT NUMBER TWO FROM THE COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE CHAIR GILMOUR.

CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL. IT'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION FOR ME TO CONSIDERATION APPROVAL MADE BY COMMITTEE CHAIR GILMOUR SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE REPORT IS APPROVED.

ONTO PAGE FIVE OF YOUR AGENDA.

LEGISLATOR RESOLUTIONS INTRO 6-1 IS FROM LEGISLATORS TODARO GREENE MILLS AND MALCZEWSKI CALLING ON NEW YORK STATE TO NOT IMPOSE A TAX ON STREAMING

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LEGISLATOR MYERS WAS STANDING FIRST, SO I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MAJORITY LEADER.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO SEE.

CO-SPONSOR. OKAY.

MAKE A MOTION FOR CONSIDERATION.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO. SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT MOTION BACK.

I RETRACT MY MOTION.

OKAY. PREVIOUS MOTION IS REJECTED.

YES. OKAY.

WE DON'T NEED A VOTE ON THAT.

OKAY. AND LEGISLATOR MYERS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

MOTION TO CONSIDER.

MOTION TO CONSIDER. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO CONSIDER MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER IS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION TO CONSIDER.

WE'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR FOR CO-SPONSORS, THEN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND THE MOTION TO CONSIDER.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE ITEM IS NOW BEFORE THE BODY.

MAJORITY LEADER ON THE QUESTION.

THERE'S NO QUESTION, BECAUSE THERE'S NO A MOTION YET.

WE NEED A MOTION.

SO A MOTION TO OPEN UP FOR COSPONSORS TO AMEND, TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, TO ADD CO-SPONSORS.

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO AMEND TO ADD CO-SPONSORS MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER, SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

BUT OKAY, SO I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION TO ASK QUESTION ON SPONSOR ABOUT HOW YOU CAN HE'S JUST COLLECTING THE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CO-SPONSOR. AND THEN I WILL CALL THE QUESTION ABOUT GILMOUR DOES ANYBODY ELSE.

I'M THE QUESTION LEGISLATOR VINAL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I WANTED TO ASK THE SPONSORS AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT IS THE IMPACT WITH REGARD TO LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE IF THESE IF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF MEDIUM IS TAX, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR OUR OTHER.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT THAT MUCH AND IT'S RELATIVELY NEW.

SO I WAS WONDERING, I KNOW THERE WAS AN AD THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE AGAINST IT, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE DIFFERENT FORMS OF MEDIA, LIKE DO MAGAZINES PAY TAX? ARE THERE FOOD SUBJECTS? ARE NEWSPAPERS FREE FROM TAX?

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IS TELEVISION FREE FROM TAX? I KNOW MOVIES ARE I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING, AS FAR AS LIKE THESE BIG MULTINATIONAL COMPANIES, NETFLIX AND SO FORTH, LIKE WHY I MEAN, ARE THEY WILL BE THE ONLY ONES TO BE TAXED OR THEY'LL BE THE ONLY ONES NOT TAXED.

THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO SAY, MADAM CHAIR, IT'S ACTUALLY YEAH.

IF YOU ASKING A QUESTION TO A SPONSOR, ANY SPONSOR CAN RESPOND LATER.

GREENE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.

YES. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR BILL THAT THE ASSEMBLY HAS PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR IS THAT IT DOESN'T EXEMPT EDUCATIONAL IT DOESN'T EXEMPT NEWS.

ALL STREAMING SERVICES WILL RECEIVE THE TAX.

BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE FUNNELED DOWN STATE FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE MTA.

AND I'LL BE HONEST, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MONEY THAT GETS TAKEN OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY GO TO PROJECTS RIGHT HERE, NOT DOWN IN NEW YORK CITY.

YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT EXPANDING THE NFTA LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT EXPANDING LIGHT RAIL, BUT NOT ABOUT TAKING MONEY OUT OF WESTERN NEW YORKERS AND PUTTING IT DOWNSTATE TO SUPPORT THE MTA.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS. SO EVERYBODY IS INCLUDED OR EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED, WHETHER IT'S ANY STREAMING SERVICE THAT'S PAID FOR, INCLUDING EDUCATIONAL NEEDS.

I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE AS FAR AS I MEAN, I'M USED TO IT AND WE PAID FOR SO MUCH OF THE HIGHWAYS FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, SO MY TAX COUNTY TAX IS PAID FOR THE POLICE OF OTHER TOWNS IN THE HIGHWAY AND THE SEWER AND THE WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I'M USED TO THAT. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE ARE NEWSPAPER I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

IT'S NOT RHETORICAL.

OUR NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES.

AND ARE THEY EXEMPT FROM SALES TAX NOW? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LOOK IT UP WHERE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO COMMIT TO THAT STREAMING SERVICES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREAMING MEDIA, BUT WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT STREAMING VIDEO SERVICES AND STREAMING AUDIO SERVICES.

STREAMING SERVICES RIGHT NOW ARE CURRENTLY EXEMPT.

SO IF YOU GO PAINTER IS LIKE PAINTER PAYS TAXES AND LAWYERS DON'T PAY TAXES.

OKAY? LAWYERS DON'T COLLECT SALES TAX INTEREST.

THAT GOES WITH THAT TO US ANYWAY.

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, ARE ALL THESE ALL MEDIA EXEMPT ONLY NOT BEING EXEMPT? I'M MISSING THE QUESTION.

APPARENTLY PEOPLE CHOOSE NETFLIX SO THEY CAN CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER FORMS OF MEDIA.

YES. OR OTHER FORMS OF MEDIA.

TAX EXEMPT. I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAGAZINES OR NEWSPAPER? OH, YEAH.

IF YOU GET A HARD COPY OF A NEWSPAPER, I'M NOT SURE IF THE THEY PUT A NUMBER ON THE OUTSIDE.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS TAXED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO AND SPEND I'VE VINAL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

YEAH. I THINK THIS IS WHY ITEMS LIKE THIS GO TO COMMITTEE FOR A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS.

BUT BUT THE MINORITY LEADER SUGGESTED THAT IT BE PUT UP FOR A VOTE TODAY.

BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ANOTHER MEMBER HAS.

THEY WANT TO TAKE A POSITION ON IT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S INTEREST FROM THE SPONSORS TO PUT IT FORWARD TODAY.

MADAM CHAIR, LEGISLATOR VINAL HAS THE FLOOR.

LEGISLATOR. VINAL. ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH, I CAN TRY TO LOOK IT UP MYSELF IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW. LIKE I'VE ALWAYS FELT VERY LIKE I KNOW THESE, LIKE THESE BIG.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S IF THEY'RE THE ONLY COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO BE TAXED, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

LIKE HOWARD'S DOING THE HOWARD JOHNSON'S DOING THE BED TAX.

SO HE'S SAYING THAT LIKE HOTELS ARE PAYING A BED TAX AND THEN THE AIRBNB ISN'T.

SO IT'S UNFAIR COMPETITION.

SO IF IT'S IF THEY'RE ONLY DOING A STREAMING SERVICE, IF THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSED BEING TAXED, THAT'S ONE THING.

IF THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES EXEMPT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO FIND BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CAN WATCH NETFLIX OR THEY CAN GO TO THE MOVIES.

MOVIE THEATERS ARE STRUGGLING. SO AS FAR AS IF I'M JUST WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, THIS SPECIFICALLY IS ADDRESSING THE BROAD UMBRELLA OF STREAMING SERVICES.

IT'S IT'S NOT CHERRY PICKING.

IT IS A BROAD SPECTRUM OF ALL STREAMS OF SERVICES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ABOUT.

I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE LEGISLATOR JOHNSON.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS HERE.

YOU GUYS BE WHOLE FOUR POINTS FOR ME TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

WELL, GO AHEAD.

THE ISSUE IS IT'S A TIMING ISSUE NOW BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED THROUGH THE BUDGET, WHICH IS DUE APRIL 1ST.

STATE BUDGET IS PART OF THE STATE BUDGET PROPOSAL.

SO COMMITTEE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL BE

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I UNDERSTAND. STAND ON THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATOR GILMORE, JUST BRIEFLY, I UNDERSTAND GENE'S ARGUMENT ABOUT PARODY AND IF TIME WARNER OR VERIZON, IF THEY'RE BEING TAXED AND NETFLIX IS AND MAYBE THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT'S UNFAIR.

BUT TO ME, THE REASON I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS TODAY IS BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW TAX.

THIS ADDITIONAL TAXES IS MORE TAXING OF RESIDENTS IN NEW YORK STATE.

THAT'S WHY I'M OPPOSED TO IT.

THANK YOU. ON THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATOR TODARO.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT TOO.

WE GOT TO WE CAN'T FORGET THAT OUR INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS, WE ARE BEING TAXED THERE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER COMPOUND OF TAXES, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT A POINT.

THANK YOU. ON THE QUESTION.

UM, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON THE QUESTION, MR. CLARK. I, I, I WISH THERE WAS MORE INTEREST IN SENDING THIS ITEM TO COMMITTEE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINESS OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE'S BUDGET.

UM. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THOUGH I AM NEVER IN FAVOR OR SELDOM IN FAVOR OF TAX INCREASES ON THE PUBLIC, IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICES WITHOUT HAVING A STREAM OF REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

AND I CAN APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE LEGISLATOR GREENE'S COMMENT ABOUT THIS FUNDING MAY BE THERE'S NO FACTS TO BACK IT RIGHT NOW AND THIS ITEM ISN'T GOING TO COMMITTEE. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DETERMINE IF THE FUNDING THAT IS GOING TO BE PORTIONS OF IT THAT IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED IS SPECIFICALLY FOR DOWNSTATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.

I WILL SAY THIS, SOMETIMES THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN ONE PORTION OF THE STATE TEND TO HAVE AN IMPACT OR BE THE CATALYST FOR WHAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE STATE. AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF TRANSPORTATION AND ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE NEED, I BELIEVE LEGISLATORS ACROSS THE STATE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FOR THAT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T FALL FROM THE SKY LIKE MANNA.

THEY HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

SO I'M I'M GOING TO BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM BECAUSE I JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT MONEY FOR QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS DOES HAVE TO BE GENERATED.

I DO WISH WE HAD MORE TIME, BUT BECAUSE IT'S UP FOR VOTE TODAY IN THE URGENCY, I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND THE VOTE IS GOING TO BE TO TO CALL ON THE STATE TO TO SUPPORT THIS AND FOR US TO THINK ROBUSTLY ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS NOT JUST DOWNSTATE, BUT ACROSS THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

NEXT ON THE QUESTION.

OKAY, ON THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

LOOKING AT THIS, THE WAY I VIEW IT, THE WAY THAT I VIEW IT IS THIS IS A TAX ON EVERYDAY PEOPLE.

SITUATION LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A USER TAX.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED FOOTBALL STADIUM, THERE'S PROPOSED SURCHARGES WHICH GO ON THE TICKETS OVER THERE.

THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE PROJECT OR THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT.

WHY SHOULD I, AS A PERSON THAT DOESN'T GO TO NEW YORK CITY NECESSARILY AND RIDE THE METRO? THEY HAVE A $19.4 BILLION BUDGET OVER THERE.

WHY SHOULD ME WATCHING MOVIE HAVE TO ADD TO THEIR BUDGET? THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO ONE INDIVIDUAL ACROSS THE STATE, WE STARTED TO SAY YOU ARE INCORRECT.

YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 4% TAX IMPOSED BY THE STATE, ANOTHER 4% IMPOSED LOCALLY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ROUGHLY ABOUT AN 8% TAX HERE.

BUT THE SPECIFICS AND AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PIECE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

FIRST YEAR IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT A $29 MILLION IN PER YEAR.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY STREAMING SERVICES YOU'RE CURRENTLY UTILIZING.

SO SOMEBODY LIKE MYSELF, WHERE I STREAM LIVE TV IS CERTAINLY AT A PREMIUM COST COMPARED TO SOMEBODY WHO'S AT A 6.99 HULU PER YEAR.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THE MORE STREAMING SERVICES YOU HAVE, THE MORE COST IS GOING TO BE.

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ON THE QUESTION ON THE AMENDMENT TO CO-SPONSOR.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF JUST THE AMENDMENT? SAY AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE ITEM IS AMENDED.

MAJORITY LEADER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I MOVE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED, MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE AND REGIMENTAL LEGISLATOR.

YES. YES.

NO. YES. YES.

YES. NO.

YES. NO.

YES. YES.

AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.

I DID LOOK UP THE RULE ON IT AND NEWSPAPERS DON'T ARE SUBJECT TO TAX, BUT MOVIE THEATERS AND MOVIES ARE SUBJECT TO TAX.

SO I LOOK AT IT THAT THAT THE THING IS, IS LIKE I'M ALL ABOUT LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW, MANY THEATERS ARE THEATERS ARE STRUGGLING TO STAY IN BUSINESS.

AND NOW, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE IT A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE PARODY OF THAT THAT NETFLIX WHO IS I KNOW THAT THEY PASS ON THE TAX TO THE CONSUMER BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THERE'S WHAT WOULD THE MARKET BEAR? SO THE TAX IS PART OF THAT WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR.

SO FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER AS FAR AS THE IMPLICATIONS, I'M VOTING NO ON THIS RESOLUTION AND LET THE LEGISLATURE VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS THEY SEE FIT ON THE ACTUAL LAW ON IT UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK THROUGH IT MORE.

THANK YOU. 83 OKAY, SO THE ITEM IS APPROVED.

CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA.

INTRO SIX YES, WE ARE ON INTRO 6-2.

IT IS GOING TO BE REFERRED TO THE FINANCE AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE UNDER MY AUTHORITY AS CHAIR.

CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA COMMUNICATIONS DISCHARGE FROM COMMITTEE LEGISLATOR MYERS.

[ COMMUNICATIONS DISCHARGED FROM COMMITTEE:]

I MOVED TO DISCHARGE COMMUNICATION FOUR DASH 21 FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUTHORIZATION TO ENTER INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR SOFTWARE LICENSE AND SERVICE.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION SECOND DISCHARGE MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMORE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE ITEM IS NOW BEFORE THE BODY.

MAJORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MOVE TO AMEND COMMUNICATION FOUR DASH 21 WITH WHAT'S BEEN PASSED NOW, THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO AMEND.

THE ITEM MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER HAS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE ITEM IS AMENDED.

MAJORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MOVED TO APPROVE COMMUNICATION FOUR DASH 21 AS AMENDED.

SECOND PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS AMENDED MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE ITEM IS APPROVED AS AMENDED.

THE NEXT DISCHARGE MAJORITY LEADER.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I MOVED TO DISCHARGE COMMUNICATION 5-6 FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

THIS IS FROM THE SHERIFF CONCERNING INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL.

I CARE. SECOND, THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO DISCHARGE THE ITEM.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. THERE IS NO QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE ITEM IS NOW BEFORE THE BODY.

MAJORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I MOVED TO AMEND COMMUNICATION 5-6 WITH WHAT'S BEEN PASSED.

PROPER MOTION TO AMEND THE ITEM MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE ITEM IS AMENDED.

MAJORITY LEADER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. MOVED TO APPROVE COMMUNICATION 5-6 AS AMENDED.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS AMENDED MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE ITEM IS APPROVED AS AMENDED.

THE NEXT IS CHARGED. MAJORITY LEADER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MOVED TO DISCHARGE COMMUNICATION FOUR DASH 23 FROM THE FINANCE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.

2023 CONSOLIDATED BOND RESOLUTION.

THIS IS THE CONSOLIDATED BOND RESOLUTION.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO DISCHARGE.

DISCHARGE. THE ITEM MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER HAS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MOTION TO DISCHARGE THE ITEM? TO DISCHARGE. YEAH.

ON. YEAH.

NO. NO.

NO. NO. NO.

YES. NO.

YES. NO. YES.

YES. YES.

YES. YES.

OKAY. SO THE ITEM.

THE MOTION PASSES AND THE ITEM IS DISCHARGED.

MAJORITY LEADER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO AMEND COMMUNICATION FOR 23 WITH WHAT'S BEEN PASSED OUT TO BOND DOCUMENT AND CHART OF COMPONENTS, THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO AMEND

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IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GILMORE ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT.

ANY OPPOSED TO THE.

AMENDMENT 11 TO 0.

OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE ITEM IS AMENDED.

MAJORITY LEADER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE TO APPROVE COMMUNICATION FOUR DASH 23 AS AMENDED.

SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION.

WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? MOTION TO APPROVE.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS AMENDED.

ROLL CALL MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.

IT WAS SIGNED BY LEGISLATOR GILMOUR.

BECAUSE IT'S A FINANCIAL ITEM.

WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. CLERK. AND THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATOR I'M SORRY.

LEGISLATOR YOU GOT THE JUICE, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

WE REQUESTED IN WRITING SIX YEARS OF BOND HISTORY AT THIS POINT, AS WELL AS THE AARP BREAKDOWN, AS FAR AS WHAT HAS BEEN BONDED AND WHAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED AT THIS POINT.

WE HAVE THREE YEARS OF EXISTING BONDS AND WE HAVE ZERO AS FAR AS THE AARP MONEY.

SO FOR THE SIMPLE REASONS OF JUST NOT HAVING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE REQUESTED, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS GOES BACK INTO COMMITTEE.

WITH THAT SAID.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION RIGHT NOW WHERE WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US LAST WEEK IN COMMITTEE REGARDING THE THREE YEARS WAS PRESENTED TO US JUST BEFORE COMMITTEES.

THE FIRST TIME I WAS ABLE TO SEE IT WAS WHILE I WAS ON THE DAIS.

SO THE ABILITY TO TRY TO PREPARE OURSELVES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING WHERE WE ARE GIVEN FIVE MINUTES NOTIFICATION IS CERTAINLY NOT ADEQUATE TO HAVE EVEN A REMOTELY INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE THE BREAKDOWN HERE, WE'VE GOT A FEW DIFFERENT ISSUES.

NUMBER ONE, MOST OF THE TIME THAT WE ADDRESS, CONSOLIDATED BOND RESOLUTION FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN DONE IN MAY.

YES. WHENEVER I LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE RUSHED THROUGH ON THE GOVERNMENT, IT ALWAYS RAISES A RED FLAG TO ME.

THESE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED.

THE QUESTION WE HAVE HERE IS NOT WHETHER THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE APPROVED, BUT HOW WE PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

AND RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE LOOK OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, $63 MILLION IN BONDING HAS NOT BEEN PAID IN BONDING AND PAY AS YOU GO. $63 MILLION HAS NOT BEEN PAID.

WE HAVE PAID INTEREST ON THOSE UNFULFILLED PROJECTS TO THE TUNE OF ALMOST $2 MILLION.

WHY ARE WE GOING TO SIT HERE AND CONTINUING TO BOND OUT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT SHOVEL READY? WE SHOULD BE THAT SHOULD BE THE BENCHMARK IS WHETHER OR NOT PROJECTS ARE SHOVEL READY AS WELL AS HOW MUCH IS BEING HIDDEN IN THE OTHER THREE YEARS THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED TO US.

RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS GO BACK INTO INTO COMMITTEE.

BUT RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, AS I SAY, NOT A SINGLE PROJECT ON THIS LIST, NOT ONE PROJECT IS BEING HELD UP.

THERE IS EXISTING FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS CAN BE PAID IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MANNERS, WHETHER IT BE A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHETHER IT CAN BE REALLOCATION OF EXISTING BONDS OR ARP FUNDS, BUT WITHOUT THE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THOSE WHAT REFUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.

WE AS AN INSTITUTION CANNOT MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON WHETHER UTILIZING BONDS AND PAYING INTEREST IS THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.

FOR THAT, I WILL BE VOTING NO ON THIS.

ON THE QUESTION.

LEGISLATORS. TODARO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I AGREE WITH LEGISLATOR GREENE.

WE HAVE A LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 13TH, CLOCKED IN THE NEXT MORNING, FEBRUARY 14TH, AND I'D LIKE TO POSE A QUESTION TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S OFFICE, IF I MAY.

JORDAN WHY DID WE GET SIX YEARS IF WE ONLY HAVE THREE? WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE LETTER THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS TALKING ABOUT THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE BACK ON FEBRUARY 13TH.

IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE REQUEST THAT SCOTT KROLL SENT TO INTEROFFICE MAIL TO BEN SWANIGAN, THAT'S A THAT'S A

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TRYING TO THINK A TIMELINE THAT WAS LAST MONDAY THAT.

YEAH. SO OKAY I WOULD SAY THE REQUEST MADE WAS MADE BY YOUR CAUCUS TWO THURSDAYS AGO AT A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

AND THAT REQUEST WAS THREE YEARS.

AT THAT MEETING, YOU GUYS SAID YOU WOULD MEMORIALIZE THAT IN THE LETTER.

WHEN THE LETTER CAME OVER ON MONDAY, IT WAS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THAT POINT.

I DISCUSSED THAT WITH MY OFFICE AND YOUR OFFICE AND SOME MEMBERS OF YOUR CAUCUS, AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO PROVIDE THE THREE YEARS OF CONSOLIDATED BONDING, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TWO YEARS AGO.

THAT DECISION WAS NOT MADE UNTIL LAST TUESDAY MORNING, AND WE WORKED FEVERISHLY TO GET THAT TO YOU AND CLOCKED IN LAST WEDNESDAY AT 454 COPIES WERE ALSO SENT DIGITALLY TO BOTH CAUCUSES.

SO THAT KIND OF GOES TO LEGISLATIVE GREENE'S POINT ABOUT THE FIVE MINUTE NOTICE THAT WASN'T DONE TO TO MOVE ANYTHING QUICKLY OR TO OBFUSCATE ANYTHING.

THAT WAS JUST A TIMELINE WE WERE GIVEN BY YOUR CAUCUS TO COMPLETE THAT.

BUT THAT WAS LAST THURSDAY.

AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A WEEK SINCE THEN.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR QUESTION.

BUT THE FEBRUARY 13TH LETTER IS THEIR LETTER.

HONESTLY, HONEST TO GOD, I MEAN, I AND THE ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, WORKING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AT WHATEVER REQUEST IS AT OUR HAND.

AND WHETHER THIS PASSES TODAY OR NOT, I DON'T THINK I THAT HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

I DO BELIEVE, AS I'VE TOLD LEGISLATOR MILLS AND I'VE TOLD ALL OF YOU AND YOU KNOW BRIAN AS WELL, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS A TIMING THING OF WHEN IT WAS UP FOR A VOTE AND WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT.

SO. SO YEAH, MY POINT HERE IS, YES, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE COMMITTEES, THIS IS DROPPING ON OUR DESK.

WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HERE.

WE REALLY, REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS.

I PERSONALLY FEEL I MEAN, ALMOST $2 MILLION IN INTEREST PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN PAID OUT TO ME.

I HATE WASTING ANY MONEY, TAXPAYERS MONEY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING A VERY, VERY DEEP CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

WE DO HAVE TIME.

I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS A RUSH.

MADAM CHAIR, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT THE 911 SERVICE IS A CONCERN OF YOURS.

YES. PLEASE BRING THAT FORWARD.

I WOULD VOTE, YOU KNOW, I'D WANT TO READ UP ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HELD UP AT ALL.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT.

IF ANYONE HAS A CONCERN IN THEIR DISTRICT, BRING IT FORWARD.

I DON'T SEE THAT WE SHOULD HOLD THAT UP WHATSOEVER.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.

THIS IS IMPERATIVE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU, LEGISLATOR.

LEGISLATOR JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I'M SORRY. LEGISLATOR JOHNSON, THE CALL MAJORITY LEADER FIRST.

HE WAS STANDING FIRST.

YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

EVERYBODY KNOWS ME. I'M A NO NONSENSE GUY.

THIS THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE EERILY FAMILIAR.

I'VE BEEN HEARING THEM FOR FIVE YEARS.

WHENEVER IT COMES TO A VOTE.

AND WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY.

I NEED THIS. I NEED THIS.

THIS IS MISSING. THIS IS WRONG.

LET'S TAKE THE VOTE AND LET'S MOVE ON.

YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR THE PACKAGE.

DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PACKAGE.

YOU WANT TO HOLD UP ROAD CAPITAL PROJECTS 911.

GET YOUR VOTE ON THE RECORD.

DON'T SEND IT TO COMMITTEE.

LET'S TAKE THE VOTE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. LEGISLATOR. LEGISLATOR JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH. I THINK THESE PROJECTS WERE APPROVED LAST SPRING.

AM I CORRECT? AM I CORRECT WITH THESE PROJECTS? YEAH, LAST SUMMER.

SO I GUESS THE MEMORIALIZE THAT PROCESS, RIGHT? LAST SUMMER, EVERY LEGISLATOR IS INVITED TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS COMMITTEE.

LAST YEAR FOR THE MAJORITY, TIM MYERS ATTENDED A BASKIN ATTENDED FOR THE MINORITY.

UM, BRIAN FIUME ATTENDED AS THE FORMER LEGISLATOR.

JOE D'ARRIGO. SO THESE, THESE PROJECTS WERE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AND ANYONE.

ANYONE WHO IS THERE FOR SPECIFICALLY THE DPW.

ONE'S MANY PROJECTS WERE REMOVED BECAUSE OF A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH BY LEGISLATOR LORIGO BY BRIAN NEWMAN.

WE DID THAT IN THAT PROCESS, SO IT WAS DONE THEN IT WAS VOTED ON THAT COMMITTEE THEN AND THEN AGAIN IT WAS APPROVED IN THE IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY LEGISLATOR TO FEEL THE WAY OBVIOUSLY THE MINORITY FEELS AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY A MORE ROBUST PARTICIPATION IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS COMMITTEE I THINK WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR VOICE ARE ALWAYS HEARD.

AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT AREN'T BEING ADDRESSED IN, LET'S SAY, THE ROAD PROGRAM, THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD TIME TO BRING THAT UP.

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LEGISLATOR JOHNSON AND ALSO THESE WERE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED ON, RIGHT? SO THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. SO I'M I'M LOST TO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

NOW, WHEN WE'VE ALREADY HAD THESE YOU KNOW THERE WAS UNANIMOUS VOTE DID WE DID THIS LAST YEAR.

I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T THIS COME UP IN CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR? AND WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS NOW AND THEN.

I THINK THAT THIS WAS CLOCKED IN IN FEBRUARY.

RIGHT? SO THIS IS MARCH 21ST.

MARCH 23RD. SO WE'RE A MONTH INTO THE PROCESS.

SO I KNOW I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, I DO THIS FOR TIME FOR MYSELF, BUT I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND THINGS OVER THE LAST MONTH OR SO.

SO I THINK IF WE HAD THAT PROPER TIME THAT FOLKS HAVE HAD TO LOOK AT THIS, IF THIS WAS CLOCKED IN IN FEBRUARY, THE VOTE IS NOW HERE AND IT WAS PUT PUT INTO COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW.

I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SAID THE COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY.

SO FOLKS HAD THE TIME TO REVIEW.

SO I'M I'M I'M KIND OF LOST ON WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS TIME BECAUSE LAST SPRING, UNANIMOUS VOTE LAST GREENE, I WOULD BRING IT FORWARD COME FEBRUARY THAT TIME TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS.

I KNOW I'VE HAD TIME, BUT THAT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.

I'M I'M JUST CONFUSED WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT NOW.

THANK YOU. ON THE QUESTION ON THE QUESTION ON THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT.

LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

APPROVING ITEM AS AMENDED.

ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS ON HERE, WE HAVE 12 PROJECTS FROM 2020 TO 2022 WHICH THE MONEY WAS ALLOCATED TO THE TUNE OF $23.5 MILLION. THOSE 12 PROJECTS HAVE YET TO BE STARTED, BUT WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON THEM NOW AS A CONTRACTOR.

TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S LIKE BUILDING A DECK ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE, BORROWING THE MONEY FROM YOUR CREDIT CARD, NOT STARTING THE PROJECT.

AND BEFORE YOU DO THAT, REALIZING YOU NEED NEW SIDING ON YOUR HOUSE, GOING OUT AND BORROWING MORE MONEY FROM YOUR CREDIT CARD TO PAY FOR THE SIDING AND THEN REALIZING, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY DRIVE WAS CRACKED, MAYBE I SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT.

TO ME, THAT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS OVER HERE AND ARE WE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THESE NEW PROJECTS OVER THE OLD PROJECTS? THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TROUBLE GETTING THESE PROJECTS OFF THE GROUND AND GETTING THEM MOVING.

THIS IS ONLY THE THREE YEARS OF THE SIX THAT WE THAT WE REQUESTED.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THIS MONEY WITH THE STADIUM AND EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING FORWARD, IT'S ALREADY KNOWN THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CONTRACTORS TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF HERE.

ARE WE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THESE NEW ONES AND THESE OLD ONES, WHICH A LOT OF THEM ARE IN MY DISTRICT ARE NEVER GOING TO GET DONE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

LEGISLATOR, MINORITY LEADER.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YOU KNOW THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AS I SEE IT, AND I'VE BEEN 18 YEARS IN LEGISLATURE, IS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 18 YEARS, LIKE EVEN RIGHT AFTER THE RIGHT GREENE BUDGET, REMEMBER THAT WE GOT MORE MONEY THAN WE CAN HANDLE.

WE REALLY DO. WE HAVE A LOT OF DOLLARS THAT CAME IN TO THE COUNTY.

AND WE ALL VOTED FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THIS BAND AND NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

MY PROBLEM IS, WAS LEGISLATIVE MALCZEWSKI RUN UP THE INTEREST.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR ONE PROJECT.

THAT'S THAT'S THE WRONG ANSWER.

UNDER $96,000, WE COULD ALL USE SOME MONEY IN OUR DISTRICTS FOR OTHER THINGS.

THEY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH JORDAN ADMINISTRATION, WITH KAREN HOKE, BOARD BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND HIGHWAYS.

AND I THINK WE'RE COMING TOGETHER ON A LOT OF ISSUES, WHICH I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE OF DOING WHAT WE REQUESTED, AT LEAST FOR THREE YEARS.

I THINK THAT WORKED OUT REAL WELL FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT I THINK WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US ON LAST WEEK, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, INCLUDING MYSELF IN SOME RESPECTS, LIKE A DEER IN HEADLIGHTS, IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

$63 MILLION OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOT GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND YET.

IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

I THINK LIKE THE E9 11 COULD BE PAID A CHECK ISSUED TOMORROW PROBABLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CASH TO PAY FOR IT.

MY CONCERN IS WHAT ITEMS IN THIS PROJECT LIST ARE REALLY GOING TO GET OFF THE GROUND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON AS PART OF THE BOND.

BUT THAT'S I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE OUTLINE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

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BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TIMELINES TRYING TO MAKE THIS STUFF HAPPEN.

DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL DOING HIS OR ENOUGH LABOR OUT THERE OR ENOUGH CONTRACT TO HELP US OUT AT A STATE AT $1.6 BILLION? EVEN COME IN AND DO ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS? I MEAN, CAN WE PAY YOU IN A HOUSE AND SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE BOUND AND BOUND THE REST OF IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION YET AS TO SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, ARE THEY GOING TO GET OFF THE GROUND AND WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE? AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKED PRETTY GOOD TO ME, EXCEPT FOR THAT $63 MILLION.

THAT WAS VERY CONCERNING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MINORITY LEADER, LEGISLATOR BARGNESI, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THIS DISCUSSION MOVES FORWARD.

A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

GREENE. SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO APPROVE THE FINANCING.

FINANCING IS DONE BY BONDS.

BONDS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT.

YOU CAN'T MOVE THE PROJECT OUT TO BID UNLESS THE FINANCING IS IN PLACE.

THIS IS NORMAL PRACTICE.

THERE IS A WHOLE LIST PROVIDED TO US THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD ON ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WANTS TO BE BONDED OUT.

IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDS FROM PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NOTED IN YEARS PAST, YOU CANNOT TRANSFER MONEY FROM ONE BANK TO THE OTHER. SO THE BOND IS SPECIFIC TO ASSURE IN WEST SENECA AND IT COMES UNDER BUDGET AND THERE'S $1 MILLION LEFT OVER.

YOU CAN'T TRANSFER THAT MONEY TO A SEWER IN TONAWANDA.

IT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. SO YOU BOND MORE THAN THE PROJECT'S WORTH.

AND THERE'S A PERCENTAGE 10 TO 15% AS PER STANDARD BIDDING REGULATIONS.

AND YOU ALWAYS, IF IT'S A WELL RUN PROJECT, COME UNDER BUDGET.

THAT PORTION OF THE BOND IS NOT USED.

BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT MONEY WITHIN THE BOND TO SEND IT TO BID.

SO THE PROJECT CAN BE DONE.

SO I'M CONFUSED AT WHY WE'RE REFERENCING OLD PROJECTS THAT EITHER HAVEN'T GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND OR THE BOND HASN'T BEEN ACTIVATED, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETED THAT CAME UNDER BUDGET AND THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER.

THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING, BY THE WAY.

AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.

INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS.

IT'S ON THE LIST. NUMBER 23, REDEVELOPMENT OF A OF A OF A STREET IN MY DISTRICT.

I DON'T WANT THIS BOARD TO HOLD UP ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO EITHER THE ENGINEERING, THE PLANNING, SENDING IT TO A BOND COUNCIL FOR US TO DEBATE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.

THAT'S THE ENGINEER'S JOB TO DISTRIBUTE THE BONDS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US NOT TO APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF US FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT TAKE YEARS TO PLAN.

THESE AREN'T PUT ON OUR DESK AT THE LAST SECOND FOR A REASON.

HERE'S THE PLAN. CAVANAUGH AVENUE HAS BEEN IN OUR DISTRICT TEN YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN HOUNDED TO GET IT FIXED.

TEN YEARS. I SEE.

IT'S FINALLY ON HERE. BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE BOND PROCESS ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL TO ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY EXPLAIN HOW THESE PROJECTS GO.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU. LEGISLATOR.

LEGISLATOR MRS FOR THE SECOND TIME.

I'D LIKE TO RESPOND AND I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU AND I COME FROM TOWN BOARD, 22 YEARS IN ORANGE PARK AND 18 YEARS IN THE LEGISLATURE.

AND SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT THE BONDING PROCESS.

SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BONDING.

IT'S WHAT ARE WE BUYING? WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE GOING TO BOND? WE ALL AGREE THESE PROJECTS NEED TO BE GOING FORWARD.

IT'S THE TIMING.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WHEN YOU HAVE TO GET THE BOND IN PLACE.

OKAY. ARE THOSE PROJECTS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD? HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE WITH THAT THREE YEAR CALLBACK ON INFORMATION, THEY DIDN'T GO FOR IT.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. I'M ALL FOR MOVING THE PROJECTS FORWARD.

IT'S GREAT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE.

WE ALL DO FOR IT. BUT IF WE PAY SOME OF THAT CASH WE HAVE AND NOT SOME OF IT, THAT'S FINE WITH THIS LEGISLATOR.

AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, WILL THEY REALLY BE DONE? I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, WHAT I PUT OUT THERE AS FAR AS ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, IS THIS GOING THE TIMELINE

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THANK YOU. WE'RE JUST LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY THE VINAL AND THEN LEGISLATOR, LEGISLATOR VINAL KIND OF TELLING IN OUR PRIOR TO CONVERSATIONS, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS LIST, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY IN MY DISTRICT IS NUMBER 31 PARK, SUNI ERIE.

BUT I DO.

I REMEMBER WHEN LEGISLATOR MEL SAID, PRESERVE OUR ASSETS AND TAKE CARE OF OUR ASSETS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IN A DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THOSE ASSETS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF PAYING THE DOING THESE PROJECTS OR NOT.

YOU'RE MORE ABOUT PAY AS YOU GO OR SHOULD BE FINANCED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I KNOW THAT WITH OUR WHEN I DID THAT PROJECT WITH THE WORLEY TO GET THAT PLAYGROUND ACROSS TO AND ACROSS WORLEY WHERE IT WAS ABANDONED LIST, BUT THEN THEY PAID AS THEY GO. SO AND I KNOW ON A LOT OF THINGS THEY'VE BEEN DOING IS THEY'VE BEEN PAYING AS THEY GO AND TAKING THINGS OUT OF FUNDING.

SO THIS JUST GIVES THE APPROVAL TO DO THE BONDING.

BUT WE COULD STILL GO PAY AS WE GO.

WE HAD THAT EXTRA MONEY OUT THERE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S AND I KNOW THAT OTHER THINGS HAVE COME BEFORE US.

SO MANY THINGS HAVE COME LIKE WE'RE SWITCHING THIS FROM BONDING TO GO AND GETTING OUR APPROVAL FOR THAT.

SO I THINK THAT THERE IS THAT IN THERE AS TO THAT.

AND THESE ARE LONG TERM KIND OF PROJECTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE DONE IN ONE YEAR.

SO THAT'S THE IDEA OF A BOND IS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AN ANNUAL BUDGET IS SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE TAKE THE MONEY THIS YEAR AND WE SPEND IT FOR THIS YEAR.

THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE A BENEFIT FOR MANY YEARS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BORDEN ROAD AND GOODRICH ROAD.

THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE FOR YEARS TO COME AND LAST AT LEAST 20 YEARS, HOPEFULLY THAT OUR 15 YEARS THAT ARE THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE SORT OF PUTTING IT OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT SO MANY OF THEM ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT I KNOW YOU THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING THAT THAT MAKES IT THAT IT'S PAID OVER THAT LENGTH AT A TIME RATHER THAN ONE YEAR.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH VOTING FOR IT.

YES. IF YOU GET THE RIGHT TO BOND AS THEY COME FORWARD TO TO TAKING THAT MONEY, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PAY THE INTEREST UNTIL WE WE CAN ASK THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.

WE DON'T PAY THE INTEREST UNTIL WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE MONEY.

RIGHT. AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY PUT THEM OUT TO BOND.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS OF OF THE PROCESS.

BUT IF YOU COULD SPEAK ON THAT.

SO WE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BONDS.

BUT UNTIL THE BONDS ARE SOLD, THERE IS NO DEBT SERVICE ON THEM.

WE DID SEND THAT OVER. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS CLOCKED IN OR NOT.

I RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR'S REQUEST.

YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SIX YEARS OF BOND INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

WHAT I'M ASKING AS FAR AS LIKE IF THEY IF AREN'T THERE CASES WHERE WE APPROVE THIS AND THEN WE DECIDE TO PAY AS YOU GO? THAT'S CORRECT. SO UNTIL THE RESOLUTION MOVES FORWARD, THERE IS NO SOURCE OF FUNDS.

SO EVEN THE PAYGO PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONSOLIDATED BOND RESOLUTION, WE CAN'T CASH ADVANCE UNTIL THOSE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED BY YOUR HONORABLE BODY.

CAN I TAKE THE BOOK? OKAY, I THINK.

LET'S JUST SAY GREENE. YOU'VE BEEN HURT TWICE.

I THINK A MEMBER CAN ONLY BE HEARD TWICE ON THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. HE'S BEEN HURT ONCE.

YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH, REAL QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S REALLY QUESTIONING THE VALIDITY OF PROJECTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT GET DONE.

WE'VE ALL AGREED THEY SHOULD. THE QUESTION IS, HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THEM? COMPTROLLER, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS WITHOUT BONDING? YEAH, OF COURSE IT IS.

SO AS LEGISLATORS, THAT'S OUR JOB, IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

AND THE QUESTION AND THE REASON WE LIKE PERSONALLY WHY WE LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON A LOT OF THESE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE LEFT OVER.

LAST YEAR I WAS TOLD THAT IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF ABOUT $45 MILLION.

BUT WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THAT AT THE TIME.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS THAT GOT ANSWERED LAST WEEK REGARDING HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE BACK FROM FEMA FOR SOME OF THE SNOW EVENTS THAT WE DEALT WITH.

SO NOW THAT CASH ON HAND, WE MIGHT HAVE BACK IN FOR A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT.

THAT IS ONE WAY.

SO PUSHING THIS THROUGH REAL QUICK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN ONE OF THE VIABLE OPTIONS HASN'T EVEN BEEN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US.

PLUS, WE HAVE $117 MILLION FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW.

CAN WE BOND OR CAN WE CAN WE PAY FOR SOME OF THOSE DESIGN FEES UP FRONT? I HATE SEEING PROJECTS LIKE WE HAVE $2.5 MILLION FOR THREE YEARS AGO FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO HIGHWAY BARNS THAT TO THIS DAY HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED.

I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY FOR IT.

THIS SHOULD NOT BE A POLITICAL QUESTION.

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WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADJUSTING OUR STRATEGY FOR THE BEST FINANCIAL INTEREST OF THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT DESIGN WORK, GET THINGS MORE SHOVEL READY, GET THEM SHOVEL READY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, MONEY WE GET FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, AGAIN, PUTTING THIS BACK INTO COMMITTEE SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND FINANCIALLY BEFORE WE AGREE TO BOND MORE MONEY OUT THAN WE NECESSARILY NEED AND PAY INTEREST ON THOSE.

THANK YOU. LEGISLATOR MR CONTROLLER.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YEAH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST WANTED TO ELABORATE ON MY ANSWER TO LEGISLATOR GREENE'S QUESTION.

OF COURSE YOU CAN.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOND FOR ANY OF THIS.

NOR DO YOU HAVE TO BUY A CAR WITH A CAR LOAN OR A HOUSE WITHOUT A MORTGAGE.

BUT OFTENTIMES IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO DO SO.

YOU KNOW, WE WE DO HAVE IT'S BEEN STATED THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CASH IN THE BANK NOW.

AND THAT IS THAT IS TRUE.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO INVEST THAT AND MAKE A LOT OF INTEREST ON IT.

BUT THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT CASH.

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT CASH.

SOME OF IT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

YOU HAVE A LETTER, I BELIEVE IT WAS CLOCKED IN.

I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR ME TODAY ABOUT INCREASING PAYMENTS FROM THE STATE TO FUND E-C-M-C.

WE RECENTLY I MEAN, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WE RECEIVED A COUPLE BILLS AND WE HAD A FEW DAYS TO PAY $50 MILLION TO E-C-M-C.

$50 MILLION IS MORE THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND THOSE NUMBERS JUST APPEAR TO BE GOING UP AND UP AND UP.

AND I EXPRESSED MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY RESPONSE TO LEGISLATOR GREENE'S QUESTION IN THAT CONTEXT.

YES, WE HAVE CASH.

I HAVE CASH IN MY BANK ACCOUNT.

I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO USE IT TO BUY GOD KNOWS WHAT A NEW CAR OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO NEED THAT FOR OTHER THINGS.

I THINK THE COUNTY IS MUCH THE SAME WAY.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CLARIFY THAT, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS BEFORE, SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

NO, NO.

NO. NO.

NO. YES.

YES. YES.

YES. YES.

YES. YES.

OKAY, SO THE ITEM FAILS.

CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA, SUSPENSION OF THE RULES.

MAJORITY LEADER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

[ SUSPENSION OF THE RULES:]

TRANSFERRING FUNDS TO THE TOWN OF CLARENCE.

OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION.

I'M SO SORRY, MR. CLERK. OKAY.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE MAJORITY LEADER MOTION TO APPROVE.

THERE'S BEEN A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM ON THE QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. A SECOND SECOND BY LEGISLATOR GREENE ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE ITEM IS APPROVED.

CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA COMMUNICATIONS FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS.

COMMUNICATION 6-1 THROUGH AND INCLUDING COMMUNICATION 6-5 AS INDICATED.

[ COMMUNICATIONS FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS:]

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MOVE. PERMITTED CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

PROPER MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL MADE BY THE MAJORITY LEADER HAS BEEN SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON ON THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE ITEM IS APPROVED.

COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT'S COMMUNICATIONS 60 ONE AND COMMUNICATIONS 60 TWO.

[ COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS:]

COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PEOPLE IN OTHER AGENCIES.

THERE ARE NONE. ANNOUNCEMENTS.

THE LEGISLATURE WILL CONDUCT COMMITTEE MEETINGS NEXT THURSDAY, MARCH 30TH, AND THE SCHEDULE WILL BE DISTRIBUTED.

[ ANNOUNCEMENTS:]

ALSO NEXT THURSDAY ON THE 30TH, LEGISLATOR KOOSHOIAN IS TAKING THE LEAD ON HOSTING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE LOCAL LAW.

THE PUBLIC. THE ERIE, THE PUBLIC ARTS ACT OF ERIE COUNTY.

AT 6 P.M. THIS WILL BE HOSTED IN HIS DISTRICT AT THE BURCHFIELD PENNEY ART CENTER.

OR IS THAT MY DISTRICT? THAT'S MY DISTRICT.

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YOUR ALBRIGHT-KNOX.

YEAH, I KNOW.

THAT'S. YEAH, I'M HOSTING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT FACILITY.

I JUST WANT TO. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.

WE HAVE AN ARRAY OF ARTISTS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, ALL OF YOUR DISTRICTS WHO ARE COMING TO SHARE THEIR SENTIMENTS ABOUT THIS LAW.

AND IT'S UNCONVENTIONAL FOR US, AT LEAST IN MY TENURE IN THE LEGISLATURE, FOR US TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING NOT IN THIS CHAMBERS AND WITH SUCH AN ARTISTIC FLAIR, BUT GIVEN THE TITLE OF THE BILL AND THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE BILL, I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS AND YOUR STAFF TO PLEASE ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR WHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT ERIE COUNTY HAVING A PUBLIC ART LAW.

ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY. PLEASE RISE IF YOU ARE ABLE FOR MEMORIAL RESOLUTIONS.

[ MEMORIAL RESOLUTIONS:]

I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN IN MEMORY OF CARL PATTERSON JUNIOR, A LONG LONGTIME FIREMAN IN VILLAGE OF AKRON, AS WELL AS KENNETH KASPRICK, WHO IS THE PUBLISHER OF THE AKRON BUGLE WHO DIED THIS WEEK.

WE ARE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

LEGISLATOR. LEGISLATOR MALCZEWSKI.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN IN THE HONOR OF CHARLES HARDY, WHO IS A FORMER JAMESON FIRE CHIEF.

WE ARE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

LEGISLATOR TODARO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I MOVE TO ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF ELISA CICCARELLI, BARB PAONESSA AND BURT LYON, WHO WAS THE FORMER VILLAGE MAYOR OF LANCASTER FROM 1977 THROUGH 1985.

WE'RE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

LEGISLATOR MILLS IN GERMAN MEMORY OF RITA WELCH I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

LEGISLATOR. LEGISLATOR BARGNESI ROBERT LOSS ONE TIME KEN-TON TEACHER, LONG TIME FOOTBALL COACH AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND GRAMMAR SCHOOL SOCCER COACH.

WE'RE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. LEGISLATOR ANY OTHERS A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE GONE ON TO BE WITH THE LORD.

AMEN. BEFORE WE ADJOURN, MEMBERS, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO GIVE YOUR TABLETS BACK TO THE DEPUTY CLERK, OLIVIA OWENS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MADE BY LEGISLATOR JOHNSON.

SECOND. SECOND BY LEGISLATOR SHAWNEE.

AND ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED? WE STAND ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.