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[ ROLL CALL]
20 OF THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE, NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025.CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL. LEGISLATOR GREENE? HERE. LORIGO? HERE. MILLS? HERE. TODARO? HERE.
BARGNESI? HERE. DUPREE? HERE. GILMOUR? HERE. KOOSHOIAN? HERE. MEYERS? HERE. SAINT JEAN TARD? HERE. AND VINAL? HERE. ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.
[ INVOCATION: Ms. Lorigo]
PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION WILL BE LED BY LEGISLATOR LORIGO.[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Ms. Vinal]
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[ PUBLIC COMMENT]
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.PLEASE KEEP IN MIND ALL SPEAKERS KEEP THEIR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES.
THE CLERK WILL RING THE BELL WHEN YOU HAVE 30S LEFT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE BEGIN? OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST SPEAKER.
WE HAVE SIGNS UP. MR. PAUL WOLF. PAUL, YOU CAN COME UP HERE TO THE FRONT.
GOOD MORNING SIR. YES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PAUL WOLF. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF AMHERST.
THIS IS A HISTORIC DAY FOR THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS LEADERSHIP IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE LEGISLATORS PRESENT TODAY WHO SUPPORTED IT AS WELL.
I KNOW I BELIEVE IT'S KIND OF TABLED NOW, BUT I THINK STILL ON THE AGENDA.
I SAW A POLL RECENTLY, A STATEWIDE POLL IN NEW YORK THAT 84% OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORTED TERM LIMITS.
I THINK THE PUBLIC OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTS TERM LIMITS.
THE BILL THAT IS ON THE TABLE WHILE I SUPPORT TERM LIMITS I DON'T SUPPORT THAT PARTICULAR BILL.
THAT BILL CALLS FOR A 12-YEAR LIMIT, WHICH I THINK IS TOO LONG.
THERE ARE NOT MANY LEGISLATORS, ACTUALLY, THAT SERVE SERVED MORE THAN 12 YEARS HERE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR COUNTY OFFICIALS AS WELL.
HAVING LESS ELECTIONS, LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO VOTE, I THINK IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
GOOD FOR YOU ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ELECTION.
NOT GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC. I MEAN, THE REALITY, THE REALITY IS AS THE LAST ELECTION SHOWED, FEWER THAN HALF OF THE LEGISLATIVE SEATS EVEN HAD AN OPPONENT.
ELECTIONS ARE USUALLY NOT A PROBLEM FOR YOU FOLKS.
YOU WIN 90% OF THE TIME. HALF THE TIME THERE'S NOT AN OPPONENT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO FEWER ELECTIONS BY MOVING TO A FOUR-YEAR TERM.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU SIR.
HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW ME TO SPEAK AT THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE.
I COME BEFORE THIS HONORABLE BODY TO ENCOURAGE ALL LEGISLATORS TO RELEASE THE $1 MILLION IN FEEDMORE, WESTERN NEW YORK, AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
FEEDMORE WESTERN NEW YORK AS ONE LEGISLATURE.
ONE LEGISLATOR, MENTIONED IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST IN AUGUST 18TH, IS A LIFELINE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
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ALREADY HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN DEMAND DUE TO SNAP BENEFITS FOR OVER 140,000 PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY BEING SHUT OFF DURING THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.DEMAND WILL ONLY INCREASE AS THE SHUTDOWN LINGERS.
ONE QUESTION WAS IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CUT FUNDING TO FEEDMORE WESTERN NEW YORK.
IN SHORT, IT HAS. IN APRIL, IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT A FEDERAL PROGRAM CALLED THE COMMODITY CREDIT CORPORATION, OR CCC, WOULD IMMEDIATELY CEASE TO EXIST. THAT IS CLOSE TO $4 MILLION IN FUNDING NOW LOST.
THAT EQUATES TO 15.8 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD, OR 13% OF ALL THEIR FOOD FUNDING NOW LOST.
THE TIME TO ACT UPON THIS IS NOW. IF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN ENDS THIS MONTH, WHAT IS NOT SPENT BY FEEDMORE WESTERN NEW YORK WILL BE RETURNED TO THE COUNTIES OUTLINED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE. WE CAN ASK TO SEE THE CONTRACT.
WE CAN PASS DECLARATIONS INSTRUCTING OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON, D.C., TO END THE SHUTDOWN, BUT IT DOES NOTHING TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED TODAY.
IF LEGISLATORS TRULY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ORGANIZATION TO OUR COMMUNITY, THEY WILL NOT TREAT IT AS SIMPLY A PHOTO OP, BUT THE LIFELINE THAT IT IS, AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF HELPING TO FUND FEEDMORE WESTERN NEW YORK DURING THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. I BELIEVE WE HAVE NO ELECTRONIC SUBMISSIONS.
RIGHT, CLERK? OKAY. NOBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. THANK YOU.
CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA. IT WAS A VERY FLUID AGENDA, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME HERE TODAY, PLEASE. TABLED ITEMS, THERE ARE NONE. ITEMS FOR RECONSIDERATION, THERE ARE NONE.
MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, MAJORITY LEADER.
[ MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING: Meeting No. 19]
MOVED FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY LEADER. SECOND BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY.THE MINUTES ARE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. THE MINUTES ARE NOW APPROVED.
[ PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed 2026 Erie County Budget - November 17, 2025 at 6:00PM]
MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ON PAGE ONE AND CONTINUED ON PAGE THREE.[ MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS:]
MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE TO CONSIDER. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONSIDER BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.SECOND, BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY THE MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE NOW BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE.
MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE TO AMEND TO INCLUDE AT ALL SPONSORSHIP.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
THE MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE AMENDED. MAJORITY LEADER.
MOVE TO APPROVE, AS AMENDED. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AS AMENDED BY THE MAJORITY LEADER.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
THE MISCELLANEOUS RESOLUTIONS ARE APPROVED, AS AMENDED.
LOCAL LAWS AS INDICATED. COMMITTEE REPORTS. REPORT NO.
[ LOCAL LAWS:]
[ COMMITTEE REPORTS:]
14 FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. LEGISLATOR SAINT JERAN TARD. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL.ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE REPORT IS APPROVED.
SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY LEGISLATIVE BARGNESI.
SECOND, BY THE MAJORITY LEADER ON THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE REPORT IS APPROVED.
REPORT NUMBER 11 FOR THE FINANCE AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, THE LEGISLATOR KOOSHOIAN. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY LEGISLATOR KOOSHOIAN AND SECOND, BY THE MAJORITY LEADER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE REPORT IS APPROVED.
REPORT NUMBER 11 FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY LEADER, SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0.
THE REPORT IS APPROVED. LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION.
[ LEGISLATOR RESOLUTIONS:]
INTRO.20-1 FOR LEGISLATOR VINAL. MAJORITY LEADER.MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY LEADER, SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVED.
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INTRO.20-2 FROM MYSELF. RE-APPROPRIATION OF FUNDING.MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY LEADER, SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED. COMMUNICATION DISCHARGE FROM COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE NONE. SUSPENSION OF THE RULES. THERE ARE NONE.
[ COMMUNICATIONS FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS:]
COMMUNICATIONS FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS. COMMUNICATION 20E-1 AS INDICATED.COMMUNICATION 20E-2. MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL.
SECOND. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU SIGN UP.
LEGISLATOR GREENE. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS.
OKAY. WE HAVE, GIVE EVERYBODY A MOMENT TO LOOK OVER THIS AMENDMENT.
MOTION FOR FIVE MINUTE RECESS. I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY THE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE LEGISLATIVE ROOM. THANK YOU. OR RECESS? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO ORDER. CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL. LEGISLATOR GREENE? HERE. LORIGO? HERE. MILLS? HERE. TODARO? HERE.
BARGNESI? HERE. DUPREE. HERE. GILMOUR? HERE. KOOSHOIAN? HERE. MEYERS? HERE. SAINT JEAN TARD? HERE. VINAL? HERE. ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WHERE WE WERE.
ON THE MOTION TO AMEND ROLL CALL VOTE CLERK. AM I CORRECT HERE? YES. ON THE MOTION TO AMEND 20E-2 WITH THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED OUT.
LEGISLATOR GREENE? YES. LAURINO? YES MILLS? YES TODARO? YES. BARGNESI? NO. DUPRE? NO. GILMOUR? NO. KOOSHOIAN? NO. MEYERS? YES. SAINT JEAN TARD? NO. VINAL? NO.
I'M SORRY. WHAT? NO. THANK YOU. IT'S 5 TO 6. SO NOW WE HAVE TO. SO THE AMENDMENT IS KILLED. THE AMENDMENT IS KILLED, SO.
WE'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THE [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH.
OKAY. SO MOTION TO APPROVE A COMMUNICATION 20E-2.
LEGISLATOR GREENE? YES. LORIGO? I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF ROLLING OUT THE PLAN.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT EVERY PART OF ERIE COUNTY IS TOUCHED BY THIS MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT BEING SAID, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF FEEDING OUR RESIDENTS.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I'LL BE VOTING YES. THANK YOU.
LEGISLATOR MILLS? I CAN EXPLAIN THAT. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THOUGH. WHEN WE ISSUE THIS, THESE FOOD BANKS, THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT MEALS TO US, BRINGING THEM FOOD TO THE [INAUDIBLE]. SO, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY FOR US TO THINK WE CAN CLAW BACK THIS MONEY IF CONGRESS GETS THEIR DUCKS BOATS AND GET OUT OF THIS MESS.
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THAT MONEY'S NOT COMING BACK. THAT MONEY FOOD BANK.AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING. IT'S GOING TO GO TO ALL THE SMALLER FOOD BANKS ALL OVER THE COUNTY, WHICH IS A GREAT THING FOR US TO DO. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLAW BACK $10 MILLION.
[INAUDIBLE] GOOD USE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY. I AGREE WITH IT, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS WAS PUT OUT THERE BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WITHOUT REALLY LOOKING INTO LOGISTICS, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALLER FOOD BANKS AROUND THE COUNTY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH THE FOOD BANK, I MEAN, FOOD BUSINESS.
THE FOOD BANK IS BEING NAIVE OF ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE CITY OF BUFFALO, BUT ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY, DISTRICT, RURAL DISTRICT. MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT NEED FOOD.
BUT I'LL VOTE YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LEGISLATOR TODARO? YES. BARGNESI? YES. DUPREE? YES. GILMOUR? YES.
KOOSHOIAN? YES. MEYERS? YES. SAINT JEAN TARD? EXPLAIN MY VOTE. I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT NO KID SHOULD BE HUNGRY.
THIS MONEY WILL PROVIDE 250,000 POUNDS OF FOOD.
THAT'S A LOT OF FOOD. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OUR COUNTY, HOW MUCH WE SPEND A MONTH TO FEED PEOPLE, IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY MAKE A HUGE DENT, BUT DENT ENOUGH.
HOPEFULLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL GET IT TOGETHER. BUT I AM SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HAVE PANTRIES. THEY CALLED ME AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF FOOD AFTER ONE HOUR.
THEY'RE CHOOSING, DO I PAY MY RENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH OR DO I FEED MY KIDS? SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH FEEDMORE WESTERN NEW YORK TO ENSURE THAT THE PANTRIES THROUGHOUT ERIE COUNTY, THE 140,000 RESIDENTS THAT ARE AFFECTED ARE NOT ONLY SUPPORTED DURING THIS TOUGH TIME, BUT ALSO THE MOMS WHO ARE ACTUALLY ON WITH THIS, ALSO HELPING THEM. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.
WHILE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FIGURES THIS OUT. THANK YOU.
AND MY VOTE IS A YES. THANK YOU. LEGISLATOR VINAL.
AND ALTHOUGH THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE SNAP AND AREN'T RECEIVING IT ARE PRIMARILY AFFECTED.
THERE'S PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTY THAT HAVE FOOD INSECURITY AND FOOD NEED MORE THAN USUAL, AND THEY WILL ALL BE HELPED BY THAT SNAP RECIPIENTS AND SNAP RECIPIENTS.
SO I'M 100% FOR IT ALSO. THANK YOU. THE VOTE IS 11 TO 0.
CONTINUE ON COMMUNICATION 20E-3. MAJORITY LEADER.
MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY LEADER, SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR VINAL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0.
THE MOTION CARRIES. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. COMMUNICATION 20E-4 THROUGH AND INCLUDING 20E-23, AS INDICATED. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT'S COMMUNICATION 20D-1 THROUGH AND INCLUDING 20D-3 AS INDICATED.
[ COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS:]
COMMUNICATIONS FROM PEOPLE IN OTHER AGENCIES.[ COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PEOPLE AND OTHER AGENCIES:]
MAJORITY LEADER. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE. MOVE FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE ITEM IS APPROVED. COMMUNICATION 20M-2 AND COMMUNICATION 20M-3 AS INDICATED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE SECOND PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO FORMALLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON ANY MATTER RELATED TO THE COUNTY.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE CLERK WILL RING THE BELL WHEN YOU HAVE 30S LEFT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE BEGIN? WITH THAT, OUR FIRST SPEAKER.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? ONCE AGAIN, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK? OKAY. WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[ ANNOUNCEMENTS:]
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NOVEMBER 13TH. THE SCHEDULE WILL BE DISTRIBUTED.THE NEXT SCHEDULED SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH.
THE SCHEDULE FOR THE 2026 ERIE COUNTY BUDGET HEARINGS WILL BE, HAVE TWO DAYS OF HEARINGS TAKING PLACE NOVEMBER 12TH AND NOVEMBER 14TH, STARTING AT 9:30 EACH DAY. PLEASE DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO THE CLERK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? PLEASE RISE FOR MEMORIAL RESOLUTIONS.
[ MEMORIAL RESOLUTIONS:]
LEGISLATIVE BARGNESI. I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN IN THE NAME OF RITA [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. TONY SPINA. SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS LEGISLATOR. LEGISLATOR TODARO.THANK YOU CHAIR. I MOVE TO ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF KATHLEEN MARZEC, DAVID SHAFER, JAMES HEHR, AND DOUG GRIMMER. DOUG GRIMMER SERVED FOR 35 YEARS AS A MEMBER OF THE BOWMANVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU CHAIR. SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. LEGISLATOR LORIGO.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE IN MEMORY OF ART CLARK. HE IS A BUFFALO OF RACING HALL OF FAMER AND A DEAR FRIEND.
I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. MINORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL LIKE TO ADJOURN IN MEMORY OF NELSON [INAUDIBLE]. I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.
MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THOSE WHO WENT OUT TO THE LORD.
WITH THAT, A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN BY MAJORITY LEADER.
SECONDED BY LEGISLATOR GREENE, LEGISLATOR DUPRE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE OPPOSED? 11 TO 0. WE STAND ADJOURN. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.