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[Fleet Policies Subcommittee on March 19, 2026.]
LEGISLATOR MILLS. HERE. LEGISLATOR TODARO. PRESENT.HERE. CHAIR VINAL. YES. ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. THANK YOU.
TODAY WE HAVE. THE SHERIFF IS HERE AND THE SHERIFF PORTION AND WE HAVE MR. MIRABELLI ON THE FLEET IN CHARGE OF THE FLEET DEPARTMENT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING AND VOTED ON AND 1 IS WITH REGARD TO THE DEPUTIES THAT THERE'S 6 CATEGORIES, NOT COUNTING THE SPARE VEHICLES THAT JUST GOT BROUGHT UP.
BUT THE FIRST IS THE CATEGORY OF DEPUTIES WHO CAN ARREST PEOPLE USING CARS THAT HAVE LIGHTS AND SIRENS, ACTUAL SQUAD CARS AT HOME AND WE VOTED LAST TIME AMONGST US THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE.
IT'LL BE AT A LATER DATE IF NEED BE, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS COMMITTEE WHICH WE VOTED ON LAST TIME, RIGHT? SECOND IS UNMARKED CARS THAT ARE USED BY PEOPLE WHO CAN'T ARREST THAT HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT TO THE POINT [INAUDIBLE] BY THE TAX LAW. A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD MAKE IT UNLIKELY FOR THEM TO USE IT FOR PERSONAL USE.
AND TOP OF THE TOP END CARS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT EXEMPTION.
OKAY, NOT DAS NOT PRISON GUARDS, NOT CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
AND THE 6TH CATEGORY ARE VEHICLES FOR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THOSE WHO CAN'T ARREST US AND INCLUDING THAT FOR THEM TAKE TO AND FROM HOME IS PERSONAL USE, OBVIOUSLY AND THEN WHEN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD CONSIDER THE COST TO THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS AND THE LIABILITY EXPOSURE TO THE COUNTY, 1ST OF THE CHOICE OF LETTING PEOPLE USE THEIR OWN VEHICLES AND CHARGING MILEAGE TO USING POOLED VEHICLES THAT STAY ON THAT ARE THERE THE WAY LIKE STATE INSURANCE FUND HAS 3 FOR ALL THOSE EMPLOYEES, THAT KIND OF THING. 3RD IS VEHICLES ASSIGNED FOR INDIVIDUALS BUT KEPT HERE, SUCH AS THE DA USES FOR INVESTIGATORS, KEPT HERE ALL NIGHT AND WHEREVER THEY MIGHT BE THAT ARE USED FOR SPECIFIC PERSON, AND THEN TAKE HOME VEHICLES WITHOUT PERSONAL USE OTHER THAN TO AND FROM WHICH IS PERSONAL USE AND THEN TAKE HOME VEHICLES, INCLUDING PERSONAL USE. AND THEN THE IDEA OF SPARE CARS IS SOMETHING THAT I JUST THOUGHT FOR THE 1ST TIME, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS IN THE BUDGET OR WHERE THAT COMES FROM, BUT [INAUDIBLE] I HAD SAID, THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE 1ST, ARE GOING TO HAVE THE MAJORITY CAUCUS, AND THEN THE MINORITY CAUCUS HAS QUESTIONS BEFORE I WRAP UP, AND WE'RE STARTING WITH SAINT [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE THE FLOOR 1ST TO THE SHERIFF.
FIRST OF ALL, I CLOCKED IN A LETTER I EMAILED YOUR DEPARTMENT TO CLOCK IN SOME INTERNAL POLICIES, IN THE LETTER I REQUESTED, JUST WHAT DOCUMENTS DID YOU USE FOR THE FLEET AUDIT? WHAT IS YOUR INTERNAL POLICY? OBVIOUSLY, YOU'LL KNOW HOW TO HANDLE YOUR OWN FLEET MORE THAN I WOULD.
YOU CLOCKED IN THIS POLICY BY MARCH 5TH AND YOU'RE HERE FOR THE MEETING.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO IF YOU CAN TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS POLICY THAT YOU CLOCKED IN AND I KNOW IN THE LETTER YOU'RE SAYING IN 18 MONTHS THERE'S GOING TO BE A MORE UPDATED POLICY.
SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS.
HOW MANY VEHICLES, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEASE AND JUST FOR EVERYONE WHO IS NOT FAMILIAR ABOUT THE WAY YOU HANDLE BUSINESS REGARDING TAKE HOME VEHICLES, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A BACKGROUND ON THAT, SHERIFF.
SHERIFF, CAN YOU PLEASE YOUR MIC? HELLO? YES.
SO UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER AND BY THAT, I MEAN WE'RE A COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, NOT A CITY, NOT A TOWN, NOT A VILLAGE. SO WE'RE DEALING WITH 1000MI².
WE COVER THE 4 CORNERS OF ERIE COUNTY, SENECA NATION OF INDIANS WE ARE THE PRIMARY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY FOR APPROXIMATELY 60% OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 600MI². OVER 130 RESIDENTS DEPEND ON US AS THE PRIMARY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, AND WE DO THAT WITH 170, 177 DEPUTIES. WE ARE ALSO A UNIQUE AGENCY
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IS THAT WE ARE THE REGIONAL RESOURCE AND FALSE ENFORCEMENT MULTIPLIER FOR MANY OF THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT DON'T HAVE SWAT TEAMS. ALL ARSON INVESTIGATIONS, OUR K-9S TO TRACK HUMANS OR EXPLOSIVES. ASIDE FROM THAT, WE HAVE OUR HOSTAGE NEGOTIATORS, OUR BOMB TECHNICIANS WE COVER OBVIOUSLY THE, THE STADIUM TODAY, WE HAVE 40,000 PEOPLE.THE [INAUDIBLE] ARENA THERE ARE COMING IN AND COMING OUT AND WE PATROL 90 MILES OF COASTLINE, OBVIOUSLY, WHERE THE YOU KNOW, COVER THE AIR WITH THE HELICOPTER AND ASIDE FROM THAT, WE, WE DO ALL THE COURT PROCESS PAPERWORK EVICTIONS AND SO FORTH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY OF BUFFALO AND WE DO ALL PISTOL PERMITS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE TOWN OF AMHERST.
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE SPREAD OUT VERY, VERY THIN AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, MONROE COUNTY'S SMALLER THAN US AND THEY HAVE 500 DEPUTIES WORKING THE ROAD. SO WE DO IT WITH 177 DEPUTIES AT A COST OF $53 MILLION TO THE COUNTY. ON THE POLICE SERVICES SIDE TO PUT THAT.
SO I THINK WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF FISCALLY BEING RESPONSIBLE, EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T HAVE AND I WORKED AT BUFFALO POLICE FOR 25 YEARS, THERE'S 5 DISTRICTS WITHIN 27 MILE SECTION OF ERIE COUNTY, THE CITY OF BUFFALO AND IN THOSE 5 DISTRICTS, THEY'RE SECURED BY FENCING, LIGHTING CAMERAS, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY MANNED AT ALL TIMES. WE DON'T HAVE ONE LOCATION AT ALL OR THAT IS SIMILAR TO, LET'S SAY, BUFFALO, AMHERST, CHEEKTOWAGA, HAMBURG, WEST SENECA, ORCHARD PARK, YOU NAME IT, WE'RE GIVING IT. OUR DISTRICTS WERE GIVEN A ROOM BY THE TOWNS THAT WHERE DISTRICTS ARE LOCATED, THEY COST $0 TO ERIE COUNTY. THOSE ARE PROVIDED BY THE TOWNS.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD OUT IN EACH DISTRICT A SECURE LOCATION TO LEAVE THE VEHICLES. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEGISLATOR.
THE THE BEST WAY TO OPERATE IS FOR EACH DEPUTY TO TAKE THAT HOME.
NOW, THAT DOES NOT MEAN PERSONAL USE. OTHER TOWNS.
WHAT THEY DO IS IF YOU FINISH A SHIFT, YOU COME TO MY HOUSE, YOU PICK ME UP, I TAKE YOU HOME, AND THEN I GO ONTO MY SHIFT AND WEST SENECA DOES THAT IN HAMBURG DOES THAT BUT WE'RE A COUNTY.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WHAT'S THE BEST POLICY? WELL, THE BEST POLICY IS TAKE HOME CARS AND 92% OF COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE NATION HAVE THEIR DEPUTIES TAKE THEIR CARS HOME.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. I MEAN, WE CAN'T EVEN BUILD A JAIL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ELIGIBILITY FOR A TAKE HOME VEHICLE? I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING TALKING POINT.
LIKE WHO GETS THE VEHICLE? IS THERE A POLICY AND IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY GET A VEHICLE, DO THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY SIGN OFF ON SO THEY KNOW THE RULES THAT YOU ARE EXPECTED WITH THAT VEHICLE? YES. SO IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT ELIGIBILITY AND THEN WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
SO THE, THE DEPUTY SAID ARE ON PATROL, THEY ALL HAVE A VEHICLE, OUR DETECTIVES HAVE A VEHICLE AND SO WE HAVE 183 TAKE HOME VEHICLES WITH 177 DEPUTIES. SO ASIDE FROM THEM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE JAIL,
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THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENTS AND THE CHIEFS HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.NOW THERE'S TAKE HOME VEHICLES AND THEN THERE'S PERSONAL VEHICLES, AND THE PERSONAL VEHICLES ARE FOR EACH PERSON, IT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A NICE THING TO HAVE, BUT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, IF YOU'RE A SWAT OPERATOR, IF YOU'RE A PILOT, IF YOU'RE A BOMB TECHNICIAN, IF YOU'RE AN ARSON INVESTIGATOR, IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD BECAUSE NOW YOUR PERSONAL LIFE.
IF THERE'S A CALL, YOU'RE EXPECTED TO RESPOND AND IT COMES WITH THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE AND SINCE WE ARE A VERY SMALL AGENCY FOR A VERY LARGE COUNTY, WE EXPECT YOU TO TO RESPOND TO THESE CALLS.
ON THAT 183 VEHICLES, HOW MANY ARE PERSONAL? I'M SORRY.
OUT OF THE 183 VEHICLES, HOW MANY ARE PERSONAL USE VEHICLES? I COULD GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF THE VEHICLES.AND SO FORTH. OH, SO IT'S SO ALL THE ALL THE SWORN DEPUTIES THAT ARE TAKING HOME A VEHICLE. IT DOES NOT MEAN PERSONAL USE, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.
NO, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM THAT NUMBER HOW MANY ARE.
OUT OF THE 183. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN EMAIL ME.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CHIEF OF PATROL AND SUPERINTENDENT OF THE JAIL AND THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENTS, THE SWAT OPERATORS, THE ARSON INVESTIGATORS, THE PILOTS, THE MARINE PATROL.
DO YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT 20, ABOUT 20 PERSONAL.
I GUESS, RIGHT NOW. I'LL GIVE YOU A NUMBER. YEAH. YOU CAN SEND ME THE NUMBER FROM THAT.
YEAH. FOR THOSE PERSONAL USE SPECIFICALLY. YEAH.
DO THEY HAVE ANY MARKING SUCH AS THE LOGO OF ERIE COUNTY OR IT'S LITERALLY UNDERCOVER.
LOOKS LIKE JUST A REGULAR. I'M JUST USING A TAHOE, WE WOULDN'T KNOW.
IT WOULD BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONAL USE VEHICLE.
I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE NO MARKINGS.
YEAH, NO MARKINGS ON THE VEHICLES. OKAY. THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING TO BE UNMARKED WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS RADIO INSIDE, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE NO MARKINGS.
OKAY. AND THEN SO ON THE POLICY THAT YOUR OFFICE CLOCKED IN UNDER SECTION D UNDER PERSONAL USE ON PAGE 3 OUT OF 8 IF YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, SHERIFF.
NUMBER 2, SO IT TALKS ABOUT AS LONG AS THE EMPLOYEE WHO RESIDES OUTSIDE OF ERIE COUNTY, BUT WITHIN 20 MILES ARE, ARE AUTHORIZED TO USE THEIR ASSIGNED VEHICLE FOR PERSONAL USE UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
SO THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STOP TRAVELING FROM WORK AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE ROUTE HOME.
THEY CAN STOP FOR MILK AT A GROCERY STORE AS LONG AS IT'S ON THAT ROUTE.
CORRECT? NUMBER 3. IS PERSONAL USE, SO D NUMBER 2.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH IT SAYS PERSONAL USE UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
2ND. AND THAT IS PAGE 3. PAGE 3. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR POLICIES AFTER VEHICLE ASSIGNMENTS THEN IT'S D PERSONAL USE NUMBER 2 AND THEN A.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, I CAN HAVE MY STAFF. NO SO OUR SERGEANT IN CHARGE OF THE FLEET, 23 VEHICLES FOR PERSONAL USE.
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OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SO THE 23 VEHICLES, THOSE ARE MORE LEADERSHIP VEHICLES, CORRECT? THOSE ARE, YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TOO, THERE ARE SPECIAL OPERATIONS UNIT.THOSE VEHICLES THERE'S 2 MARKED THE 21 [INAUDIBLE] THOSE VEHICLES, IF YOU LOOKED AT THEM, YOU KNOW THE POLICE VEHICLE, IT'S PURCHASED AS A POLICE VEHICLE, THE HUBCAPS THAT COME WITH IT, THERE'S 3 RADAR ANTENNA OR 3 RADIO ANTENNAS ON TOP OF THE VEHICLES.
THERE IS LIGHTS IN THE VISOR AND VEHICLES AND THE RADIO INSIDE THE VEHICLE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MOM AND DAD FAMILY VEHICLE.
OKAY, SO THANK YOU ON THAT. AND I HAVE ANOTHER.
DO YOU HAVE IT? SURE. YEAH. SO YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, I MEAN, BACK IN OCTOBER WHEN I SAID I WAS GOING TO COME UP WITH A NEW VEHICLE POLICY, WE WENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THIS AND WE, YOU KNOW THEY GO THROUGH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON.
OBVIOUSLY THE, THE REASON FOR THE WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION REGARDING? SO ON THE SECTION, IT SAYS BASICALLY THE EMPLOYEE, I'M GOING TO USE THE DEPUTY SHERIFF THAT'S TAKING HOME THE VEHICLE.
THEY CAN STOP WHILE TRAVELING. TRAVELING TO THEIR HOME TO, LET'S SAY, A GROCERY STORE, AS LONG AS IT'S ON THAT ROUTE HOME, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THIS POLICY. SO IT SAYS YOU CAN STOP TO A STORE WHILE TRAVELING FROM WORK TO HOME AND BACK AND FORTH.
SO IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHY YOU ALLOWED THAT WITH THAT TAKE HOME, I KNOW THE PERSONAL USE VEHICLE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE GUIDELINES.
AND BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT AND RECTIFY AND CHANGE.
AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, FOR ME, I WANT TO WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AS WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A POLICY THAT MAKES SENSE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR GROUP TO SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE AND LOOK AT OTHERS? I KNOW YOU HAVE A LAW FIRM LOOKING AT THIS, AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOMETHING IN 18 MONTHS BUT THAT SPECIFIC SECTION, I WOULD SAY IS IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR YOU KNOW, SERVING THE PEOPLE AND PROTECTING THE PEOPLE OF ERIE COUNTY AND I WALKED INTO AN OFFICE THAT WAS VERY ANTIQUATED WITH A LACK OF POLICIES, PROCEDURES, BEST PRACTICES. WE'VE HAD THAT ACCREDITATION THROUGHOUT THE AGENCY IN THE JAIL AND OUTSIDE.
BUT YEAH, I HAVE NO, NO ISSUES WITH TAKING THIS DOCUMENT AND MAKING IT WORK FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
I UNDERSTAND HOW IT LOOKS. THIS IS OF COURSE COMING FROM A LAW OFFICE THAT WORKS WITH BEST PRACTICES AND BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S ALWAYS GUIDELINES, RIGHT? WHAT SUPERSEDES REALLY ANYTHING? IF YOU LOOK AT LET'S SEE.
RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE B. ANY OFF DUTY USE OF AN ASSIGNED VEHICLE THAT COMPROMISES THE PROFESSIONAL IMAGE OF THE AGENCY WILL CAUSE, WILL BE CAUSE FOR REVOKING THE ASSIGNED VEHICLE PRIVILEGE AND COULD RESULT IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION UP UNTIL INCLUDING TERMINATION. SO THAT'S THE CATCH ALL. IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, THEN YOU'RE PAYING THE CONSEQUENCES.
AND THEN I HAVE 1 MORE QUESTION SHERIFF, IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO REGARDING WE'RE GOING TO THE 23 VEHICLES PERSONAL USE FOR THAT ONE.
ARE THEY USING THEIR OWN FUNDS TO GAS UP THAT CAR OR IS IT, ARE THEY USING COUNTY FUNDS TO REFUEL? SO EACH AND EVERY VEHICLE, IT COMES WITH A GAS KEY AND YOU FUEL AT EACH OF THE MANY COUNTY LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR ID, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR MILEAGE IN THERE'S CAMERAS. I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DIRECTOR MIRABELLI ABOUT IMPROVING THAT PORTION OF IT BECAUSE THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS LACKING
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ON THE, ON THE PART OF GAS BOY. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN ISSUES THERE, BUT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE OVER THE OVERSIGHT FOR THAT. SO WE COULD, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT ARISE, BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES THROUGH DISCIPLINE OR ANYTHING FURTHER.OKAY. IN YOUR OPINION, FROM THE POLICY THAT YOU CLOCKED IN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S MISSING BASED ON YOUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS? WELL, THIS IS LIKE I SAID SINCE TAKING OFFICE, WE'VE WE'VE MODERNIZED THE OFFICE AND BROUGHT IT UP TO THE 21ST CENTURY. AND WITH THAT, THIS DOCUMENT HERE, BUT THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEETING AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, STICK OUT LIKE THAT AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE NO, IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK.
SO ONE LAST ONE. SORRY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN INDIVIDUALS YOU CLEAR THEM TO TAKE, HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE, THEY KNOW THE GUIDELINES, I'M ASSUMING THEY SIGN SOMETHING.
UNDERSTANDING THE RULES WITH THE VEHICLE. ABSOLUTELY.
IS THERE A FORM? I DON'T SEE A FORM ON THIS, LIKE WHAT PROCESS DO YOU START TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND DO THEY GIVE YOU REPORTS OF HOW MUCH MILEAGE OR.
I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR FLEET DIRECTOR HERE. HE COULD PROBABLY TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON THAT. BUT HOW DO YOU WHEN THEY FIRST GET THIS VEHICLE, WHAT IS THAT PROCESS OF THEM FILLING OUT A FORM OR EMAIL? WHAT IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THEY'RE TOLD WITH THE WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM WITH THE TAKE HOME VEHICLE, WHICH IS THAT TAKE HOME GO TO WORK AND AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP THE MAINTENANCE CLEAN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. THEY THE MILEAGE THEY HAVE TO GET THE OIL CHANGES.
THAT'S WHY THE FLEET. SERGEANT DIRECTOR WILL KEEP TABS ON ALL THAT AND I BELIEVE UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT IT WORKS VERY, VERY WELL.
I COME FROM A POLICE AGENCY WHERE THE CARS WERE A MESS.
THEY HAD A WHOLE TEAM OF MECHANICS WORKING ON THESE CARS.
THE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO FIX THEM UNDER WARRANTY AND KEEP ON CHANGING THEM IS A HUGE SAVINGS, I BELIEVE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S I'M SURE COMMISSIONER CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT AND ALSO THE A LOT BETTER. SERGEANT, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS OF THE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN THEY HAVE THESE VEHICLES? YEAH. WHEN WE FIRST GIVE OVER THE VEHICLE, WE GO OVER THE VEHICLE WITH THEM.
WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THE VEHICLE.
WE DO THE OIL CHANGES EVERY 5000 MILES, DURING THAT TIME.
WE DO A FULL INSPECTION OF THE BRAKES, THE TIRES, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, WE MAKE SURE THE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN IN A CAR ACCIDENT, THERE'S NO COLLISIONS, NOTHING MISSING. SO WE DO A PRETTY GOOD CHECK OF IT.
WE USE A SYSTEM CALLED AUTO ASSIST THAT WE LOG THIS STUFF INTO, WE KEEP TRACK OF OIL CHANGES, WE KEEP TRACK OF ANYTHING WE PUT ON THE BRAKES, INSPECTIONS, EVERYTHING WE DO TO KEEP THESE VEHICLES SAFELY OPERATING ON THE STREETS OF ERIE COUNTY. IF A PROBLEM COMES UP DURING THE SHIFT, HE WILL NOTIFY ME OR MY SENIOR MECHANIC SAYING THAT WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
WE'LL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AS IT'S SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO COME IN RIGHT AWAY AS A HAZARD TO HIM, A HAZARD TO OTHER DRIVERS ON THE ROAD. IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF, WE TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT AWAY.
WE EVEN HAVE A FLEET TRUCK THAT CAN GO TO THAT VEHICLE AND DO SERVICE WORK OUT IN THE FIELD.
IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE ENOUGH TO DRIVE BACK TO THE GARAGE.
UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF CENTRALIZED IN THE COUNTY, OUR FLEET GARAGE.
SO SOMETIMES WE'LL JUST GO TO THE DISTRICT AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP OUT.
IF THAT COULD WAIT, THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT AND BRING IT IN.
SO WE JUST ACTUALLY TELL THE DEPUTY, YOU KNOW WHAT, TAKE IT TO A FORD DEALER BY YOUR HOUSE, SCHEDULE A SERVICE CALL WITH THAT FORD DEALER, AND THEN I DON'T HAVE TO WASTE MY TIME.
MY MECHANICS DON'T HAVE TO WASTE THEIR TIME. THE DEPUTY TAKES IT RIGHT TO THE DEALERSHIP, IT'S COVERED UNDER WARRANTY, THERE'S NO COST TO THE COMPANY. WHAT IF THEY'RE IN A CAR ACCIDENT? SO IF THEY'RE IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN,
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BUT WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.THEIR IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR WATCH COMMANDER IS NOTIFIED THAT WATCH WAS COMMANDER NOTIFYING DISPATCH, DISPATCH NOTIFIES OUR TRAFFIC UNIT. SERGEANT SIMON EITHER WILL RESPOND TO HIMSELF OR ONE OF HIS 3 STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE ALL CRASH INVESTIGATION WILL COME DOWN, TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS, TAKE A STATEMENT, AND THEN THEY DO AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AT THE CRASH.
SERGEANT SIMON WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION OF OF CRASH AND THEN FORWARD THAT INTO OUR EITHER OUR CHIEF OF PATROL OR OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION, WHO WILL THEN LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WAS THE DEPUTY AT FAULT? COULD HE HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TALK TO HIM ABOUT DRIVING HABITS OR.
WE CAN DO A LOT OF COLLISION WORK. MINOR COLLISION WORK IN-HOUSE, WHICH WE DO, LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, WE COVER A LARGE AREA OF THE COUNTY. THERE'S A LOT OF CAR THERE THAT WE ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF SENDING IT TO A COLLISION SHOP FOR $6,200, WE CAN FIX IT IN-HOUSE, MAYBE FOR $1,700.
BUT AGAIN, THE PARTS WONT SELL BY DOING THE WORK OURSELVES.
MAJOR COLLISION, WE HAVE TO SEND OUT, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT THAT'S THANK YOU. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANKS FOR COMING IN, SHERIFF. AND JUST LOOKING OVER THE POLICY HERE.
I WANT TO TALK SOME EXPERIENCE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I SPENT 22 YEARS IN THE COUNCILMAN IN THE TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK.
MY 1ST DAY ON THE JOB. I RODE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, SO I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THIS POLICY.
I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. SPEAKING FROM THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION SIDE OF WHAT I DO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR THE CONVENIENT FOOD MART ANYWHERE IN ERIE COUNTY IS ECSTATIC TO SEE A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON GO INTO THEIR STORE TO PURCHASE A GALLON OF MILK. QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S PASSIVE ENFORCEMENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AND FOR US TO MICROMANAGE, TRY TO MICROMANAGE WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE DOING IS A BIG DISSERVICE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND I'LL MAKE THAT STATEMENT COMING FROM JOHN MILLS AND THAT FOR THE REST OF MY CAUCUS, FOR THE LEGISLATURE. BUT PASSIVE ENFORCEMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT, SO THEY GO IN ANY, THE DRY CLEANERS, THEY DROP OFF THE DRY CLEANING, GET A GALLON OF MILK.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY ARE SHOWING ENFORCEMENT IN THAT FACILITY AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE OWNER OF THOSE FACILITIES. AND THAT'S SPEAKING FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I DELIVER IN MY TRUCKS THROUGHOUT ERIE AND 26 OTHER COUNTIES.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SHERIFF, SERGEANT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON IS IF A VEHICLE IS IN MAINTENANCE MODE, IS ARE THERE 2 PEOPLE GOING TO RETRIEVE THE VEHICLE TO GET IT SERVICED, OR IS IT BEING DROPPED OFF? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT DEPUTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A VEHICLE WHILE IT'S BEING SERVICED? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW THAT'S HANDLED. SO AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE WITH THE VEHICLE, IF THE VEHICLE CAN COME TO THE GARAGE, WE DO HAVE A SMALL FLEET OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
SO WE WERE ASSIGNED A DIFFERENT VEHICLE. IF THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE TOWED THEN WE WORK WITH EITHER DEPUTIES OUT IN THE FIELD OR MY STAFF AT THE GARAGE TO EITHER GET A NEW, WE CALL IT A LOANER VEHICLE, GET A LOANER VEHICLE OUT TO THAT DISTRICT.
SO THAT DEPUTY OR HAVE THAT DEPUTY DRIVEN UP TO THE GARAGE TO GET INTO A LOANER VEHICLE.
SO DEPUTIES ARE ALWAYS GOING AT A DIFFERENT VEHICLE.
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SWITCHING VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH BUT WE TRY TO KEEP.AND AGAIN, LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID EARLIER, WE COVER A LARGE AREA AND I SPOKE TO A FEW OF YOU THIS MORNING, AND I EXPLAINED THERE WAS TIMES WHERE I WOULD COVER 5 TOWNS MYSELF AND IF THAT CAR BROKE DOWN AND I HAD TO LEAVE FOR 3 HOURS, THEN THAT TOWN HAS NO COVERAGE, THOSE 5 TIMES COVERAGE.
SO WE TRY TO KEEP WE TRY TO KEEP DEPUTIES GOING NONSTOP AND OBVIOUSLY I TAKE YOUR SOFTWARE IF THAT VEHICLE IS BECOMING A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE. DO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEM OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GREAT WITH WHAT GILMOUR COMMISSIONER GARY HAD WORKED ON WITH HIS ENTERPRISE THING.
WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH ENTERPRISE ALL THE TIME AND VEHICLE MILEAGE, VEHICLE FUEL EXPENSE.
SO WE KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO TURN THAT VEHICLE IN AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE US AN EQUITY OF THE VEHICLE.
AND THEN IT'S A CONSTANT WEEKLY, WE'RE CONSTANTLY UPDATING INFORMATION TO GET THE BEST TIME TO GET THE BEST EQUITY FOR THE COUNTY TO TURN THAT VEHICLE IN BUT MY MECHANICS WILL COME TO ME AND MY MECHANICS WILL SAY, THIS VEHICLE NEEDS LIKE $7,000 WORTH OF WORK AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT WARRANTED.
SO I'LL MAKE THE INITIAL CALL TO ENTERPRISE AND GET THE BALL ROLLING, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DUMP $7,000 INTO A VEHICLE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET RID OF IN THREE MONTHS ANYWAYS. SO LET'S GET RID OF IT SOONER, OKAY? AND IF IT'S UNDER WARRANTY, DO WE HAVE THAT BUILT INTO OUR AGREEMENTS? IF IT'S GOING TO A LOCAL FORD OR CHEVY DEALER? IF THEY PROVIDE A LOANER. SO I MEAN, SOME DEALERSHIPS WILL GIVE A LOANER TO GET THE DEPUTY BACK TO WHEREVER THEY CAME FROM, BUT THAT DEPUTY IS GOING TO NEED TO GET INTO A VEHICLE WITH LIGHTS, CAGES, COMPUTERS.
SO WE HAVE A SMALL FLEET OF VEHICLES THAT WE KEEP AT THE GARAGE THAT WE CAN ISSUE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WARRANTY, IF THE VEHICLE IS UNDER WARRANTY, NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IT GOES IT GOES TO A DEALERSHIP TO GET FIXED.
SO YEAH, SO WE DON'T NEED THE, THE, THE TEAM OF MECHANICS, LIKE SOME OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY WORK ON VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT ON MONDAYS, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THOSE VEHICLES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF THAT AND TRADE THOSE IN AND NOT BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO FIX THOSE ISSUES FOREVER AND BASICALLY NOW LEGISLATORS, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE 90S, 2000, THE VEHICLE IS YOUR MOBILE OFFICE. THE DEPUTY COULD DO EVERYTHING FROM THAT VEHICLE.
WHEN THAT DEPUTY GETS ON THE ROAD FOR 12 HOURS, THEY'RE IN THEIR VEHICLE, THEY'RE DRIVING THAT VEHICLE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING OUT OF THAT VEHICLE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE DAYS LIKE, HEY, COME BACK TO THE STATION HOUSE.
NOT THAT WE HAVE ANYBUT COME BACK TO THE STATION HOUSE.
WE'LL DO THE REPORT AND SO FORTH. THOSE DAYS FOR THE ERIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE GONE.
WE NEED OUR PEOPLE ON THE STREET. I AGREE, OKAY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOBODY IS OBJECTING TO DEPUTY USE OF THE LIGHTS AND SIREN CARS WE EVEN HAD AT OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH LEGISLATOR MILLS WASN'T THERE.
WE HAD SPECIFICALLY A VOTE TO EXCLUDE THOSE CARS.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IN THE BEGINNING THAT DIVERTING THE ISSUE TO THOSE CARS TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, WHICH IS FOR EVERYONE THAT ISN'T UNDER THOSE UNDER THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, FOR PERSONAL USE OF ANY CAR AND FOR CARS THAT AREN'T THAT WE ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING TAXES, NOT PAYING TAXES, AND COMMITTING A CRIME BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO OUR JOB.
OKAY, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO. WHAT WAS IT THE LAST ONE.
THAT WHETHER YOU CALL IT A SPARE VEHICLE OR A VEHICLE THEY USE TO GET TO AND FROM WORK, IT'S NOT A DEPUTY.
SO THE ONLY PERSON THAT WE HAVE, THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, DOCTOR KEVIN MCGEE, THAT TAKES HIS CAR HOME BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO REPORT TO OR THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY FACILITY TO US, THE HOLY CENTER.
AND HE ALSO GOES OUT WITH SWAT ON THEIR ENTRIES AS THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL AND ASIDE FROM HIM, IT'S THE DIRECTOR OF CORRECTIONAL HEALTH, SARA COFFEY.
SO THERE'S NOBODY THAT'S IN THE OFFICE THAT WHAT ABOUT THESE SPARE CARS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POLICY THAT I NEVER HEARD THAT TERM BEFORE, BUT THE SPARE CARS THAT YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE SPARE CARS AND YOU CAN ASSIGN THEM TO ANY EMPLOYEE.
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YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, IT'S 1000MI². WE HAVE 5 DISTRICTS.I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TEEN CENTERS. WE HAVE. WE HAVE 2 CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES.
WE MAN THE ERIE COUNTY LIBRARY. EVERY SINGLE COUNTY BUILDING, EVERY COUNTY PARK.
WE STILL MAINTAIN A PRESENCE IN THE BUNKER AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING US OUT OF THERE.
FINALLY, THE MORALE WENT THROUGH THE ROOF AND HOPEFULLY DISEASES WENT WAY DOWN.
SO WE'RE SPREAD OUT. I THINK WE COUNTED 40 LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, I GUESS.
OKAY, SO I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A CLERK. THAT MAKES $0 BECAUSE THE COUNTY PAYS THEM AS [INAUDIBLE] THEY MAKE $18 AN HOUR. USE THEIR OWN GAS TO GO FROM DOWNTOWN TO ORCHARD PARK WHILE YOU'RE DOING WORK RELATED THINGS.
RIGHT YOU PAY THEIR MILEAGE OR THEY USE A POOL CARD.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE, THAT MIGHT HAVE TO GO DOWNTOWN. NO. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THE 1 THING I GUESS THE WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY 182, BUT CLOSE TO 182 HAVE LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
WE HAVE 1 VEHICLE THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT. THAT'S CORRECTIONAL HEALTH AND THEN YOU HAVE UNMARKED CARS THAT ARE UNMARKED WITH NO RADIO, NO LIGHTS, NO SIRENS, NOTHING BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE COLORS WE USE TO MAKE DRUG BUYS, TO DO PROSTITUTION STINGS.
AND SO THOSE STAY WITH YOU SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T TO KEEP THE PRIVACY OF IT, THE SECRECY OF IT.
YEAH. WE HOUSE SOME CARS AROUND THE COUNTY.
OUR ABI VEHICLES DON'T GO HOME. SO WE HAVE ABI VEHICLES.
I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK IF OUR NARCOTICS AGENCY COMES UP ON SOMETHING.
THEY USE ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WAS SIGNED IN NARCOTICS FOR ABI.
BUT WE DO HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE HIDDEN. AND ALSO GO BACK TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE POOL VEHICLES, WE DO HAVE POOL VEHICLES, LIKE FOR OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ADVOCATES THAT ARE PARTS OR VEHICLES WHEN THEY DRIVE THEIR PERSONAL CAR TO WORK, AND IF THEY HAVE TO USE IT, THEY WOULD TAKE THAT VEHICLE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE POOL VEHICLES ARE FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I'M ASKING BEFORE 3 5. WHEN YOU HAD THIS POLICY, WAS THERE A POLICY THAT YOU USE DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY POLICY, OR WERE YOU SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY POLICY? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ASKING YOU, WAS IT BEFORE 3 5 WHEN YOU HAD THIS DRAFT OF A POLICY THERE? BEFORE THAT, DID YOU HAVE A POLICY SEPARATE FROM THE COUNTY'S POLICY, OR WERE YOU SUBJECT FULLY TO THE COUNTY'S POLICY? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COUNTY POLICY IS, BECAUSE THE COUNTY POLICY REALLY DOESN'T.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU HAVE BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE COUNTY POLICY DOESN'T REALLY PLAY TO US BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND AND THIS IS ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE COUNTY WORKERS. WE'RE NOT A95 YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL FOR 24 HOURS.
SO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT I MEAN, I KNOW THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT BEFORE.
WHEN YOU CAME HERE, YOU SAID THEY COULD NEVER USE IT FOR PERSONAL USE, AND NOW YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH UNLIMITED PERSONAL USE AND YOU SAID THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO CALL IN BEFORE, AND NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IN BEFORE WHEN YOU'RE DOING PASSIVE POLICING, GOING, GETTING YOUR MILK TO REDUCE CRIME. NOW THEY CAN CHARGE THE COUNTY FOR THAT UNDER THIS POLICY THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT YOUR DISTRICT HAS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS IN THE TOP 10.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A POLITICAL ATTACK IN MY OFFICE AND ME PERSONALLY.
IT IS LEGISLATOR. YOU KNOW IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CARRYING THE WATER FOR SOMEBODY ELSE BUT I HAD TO MAKE A STATEMENT AS THE SHERIFF, AS JOHN GARCIA ON THAT. AND IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE THIS IS WE SAVED OVER 3% LAST YEAR IN OUR BUDGET.
THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS ABOUT VEHICLES.
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TO WORK. IT'S THE BEST AGENCY IN WESTERN NEW YORK AND FOR SOME REASON, YOU GOT TO FIND SOMETHING REALLY A VEHICLE POLICY.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ, DID YOU READ THE DID YOU READ THE AUDIT? DID YOU LISTEN TO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED WITH GRANVILLE? DID YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE'S OBJECTIONS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF YOUR BUDGET? DO YOU LISTEN? I MEAN, DO YOU LISTEN TO YOUR TO YOUR VOTERS, TO THE RESIDENTS OF AMHERST? YES. I GO DOOR TO DOOR. AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING, PUBLIC SAFETY.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY ASK ABOUT THE ERIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S POLICY.
OKAY. WHAT SITE IS THAT? BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS DO YOU HAVE ANY FORM ON ANY THAT YOU USE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY APPROVE, I'M ASSIGNING THIS VEHICLE TO YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY EACH YEAR OR ANY OTHER TIME? DO YOU HAVE ANY FORM THAT WAS EVER SIGNED? YES WE DO.
AND THEN WHEN DID THAT WHY DIDN'T YOU PRODUCE THOSE FORMS? AND WE ASKED FOR THEM. BECAUSE I AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU POLICE SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT COULD BE PUT OUT THAT SAYS THAT JOHN DOE LIVES AT 123 MAIN STREET IN ELMA, AND HE IS DRIVING THE FOLLOWING VEHICLE WITH THE LICENSE PLATE AND THE CONTROLLER EVEN WANTED HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE. THAT'S POLICE SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THESE CARS IN THEIR VEHICLES, I HAVE A SAFE AND I HAVE AN ARSENAL. AND IF I DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND MY RADIO IS ON AND THERE'S AN ACTIVE SHOOTING, I'M GOING TO PUT MY VEST ON AND I'M GOING IN THERE TO STOP IT.
OKAY. YOU KNOW WHO'S NOT DOING THAT? YOU KNOW, OUR DEPUTIES ARE DOING THAT.
IT COMES WITH A GREAT RISK TO LIFE, BUT WE DO IT BECAUSE IT'S AN HONORABLE PROFESSION.
SO WHEN I TELL PEOPLE TO TAKE THEIR CARS HOME, I GOT TO TELL YOU, LEGISLATOR, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO KEEP YOUR CAR AT HOME AND NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DRIVE BY SOMEWHERE TO ENGAGE.
OKAY. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOLD THEY HAVE TO ENGAGE BECAUSE WITH THE WORLD WE LIVE IN AND WHAT WE SEE LAST WEEK IN BOTH MICHIGAN AND OLD DOMINION, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE.
BUT YOU FORGET ABOUT THAT. YOU FORGET ABOUT IT UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEN THERE'S A SHOOTING SOMEWHERE AND YOU SAY, MY GOD, WE NEED A NEW POLICY OF SOMETHING TO DO.
AND LIKE MR. MILLS SAID, THE PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE POLICE ALL OVER THE PLACE, EVERYBODY DOES AND WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE, WE'RE OUT THERE. AND I EXPECT YOU, IF YOU'RE DRIVING YOUR VEHICLE, YOU STOP AND YOU STOP THE THREAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? IT MEANS NOT HIDING BEHIND A TREE LIKE THAT GUY DID IN FLORIDA.
IT MEANS ENCOUNTERING THE SHOOTER LIKE THAT GENTLEMAN DID IN MICHIGAN AND STOPPED A SHOOTING.
AND STILL YOU'RE HAMMERING ON THIS ON THIS POLICY, WHICH IS THE BEST POLICY.
IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE AND FISCALLY AFFORDABLE TO THE COUNTY.
ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE DID SIGN OFF ON EACH OF THESE.
EVERY EVERY VEHICLE THAT WAS GIVEN OUT, SOMEONE SIGNED OFF ON IT.
YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE NOT PRODUCING THEM.
BUT SOMEBODY DID SIGN OFF ON THEM. AND WAS THAT YOU OR WAS SERGEANT? THE SERGEANT SAID, LISTEN, EVERYBODY IS TOLD WHAT THE RULES ARE, WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.
YOU JUST SAID THAT SOMEBODY SIGNED OFF ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
I'M ASKING, IS THAT TRUE OR NOT TRUE? I THINK THERE'S A CONFUSION HERE.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS THE OLD COUNTY FORM AND MAYBE GILMOUR HELPED ME OUT, BUT WHEN I TOOK OVER THE FLEET OPERATIONS, WE WEREN'T USING IT BECAUSE THE VEHICLES CHANGED WEEKLY.
SO WE HAVE OUR OWN INTERNAL SIT DOWN WITH THE DEPUTY AND DISCUSS EVERYTHING, ALL OF THE MILEAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF MY MECHANICS LOGGED IN MILEAGE EVERY TIME THE VEHICLE COMES IN, WE GILMOUR CHECKS THE FUEL MILEAGE. THE SYSTEM'S NOT PERFECT BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY IS WAY BEHIND IT.
SO WE DO WE DO LOOK AT THE MILEAGE OF THE VEHICLES.
WE DO LOOK AT THE WEAR AND TEAR. THIS IS WHAT I WAS WANTING TO KNOW.
IS THAT SO THERE'S NO FORM, IS THERE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU SIGNED WHEN YOU GAVE THAT INSTRUCTION TO THE WORKER THE DEPUTY ASSIGNED? IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, UNDERSTANDABLE PROCESS. YOU'RE THE ONE.
I KEEP TRACK OF THE VEHICLES, WHO THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO.
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I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DEPUTY. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES HERE. A BIG MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES HERE AND THERE IS THERE IS A WORRY THAT DEPUTIES WHO ARE OUT THERE MAKING ARRESTS ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION LEAKED OR WHAT EQUIPMENT IS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO A SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT THAT EQUIPMENT AND PROTECT OUR EMPLOYEES.SO THERE IS SOME CONCERN OF JUST TURNING OVER INFORMATION ON WHAT VEHICLES HAVE.
I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THE FLEET AUDIT PROVIDING HOW MANY VEHICLES WE HAVE, WHAT THEY ARE USED FOR AND SINCE I'VE BEEN IN CHARGE OF THE FLEET, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY RED FLAGS OF ANY VEHICLE USAGE OR ANY FUEL USAGE.
BUT JOE AND I WORK EVERY DAY. THE THING IS, IS THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T DEPUTIES OR WHOSE VEHICLE DOESN'T GO UNDER THE LAW OFTEN ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXEMPTIONS. NOT EVERYONE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT IS UNDER THAT EXEMPTION THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF THEIR PERSONAL USE OF.
IF THEY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT THEY'RE USING, THEY HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF THEIR PERSONAL USE AND BE TAXED ON THAT. SO I'M SAYING NOT FOR DEPUTIES WHO HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE, NOT THOSE THAT HAVE A LICENSE IN THE SQUAD CAR.
IF THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH EQUIPMENT OR IF THERE'S CIVILIAN, LIKE ANYONE WHO WORKS IN THE JAIL, ALL THEIR PERSONAL USE. THOSE THOSE ARE CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICERS THERE WERE ACTUALLY SWORN.
THEY CAN'T, CAN THEY ARREST OR THEY CAN'T ARREST. OH, OF COURSE THEY CAN. THE IRS PUT IN THAT.
I'M SORRY. OF COURSE YOU CAN ARREST. YES. YEAH.
YEAH. EVEN SHE HAS TO REPORT PERSONAL USE.
POLICE OFFICER? LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT ARRESTS THE IRS REGULATIONS YEAH. I SENT THE IRS REGULATIONS TO THEM. I'M SORRY.
IT'S ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUAL POLICE OFFICERS WHO CAN ARREST.
SO IT'S NOT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE JAIL, RIGHT? THEY AREN'T PART OF THAT EXEMPTION OKAY. YOU CAN MAYBE YOU CAN FIND THAT SECTION OF THE IRS.
AND FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AND, YOU KNOW, POLICY NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IRS.
SO ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO PERSONAL USE IS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE IF IT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT. DO YOU KEEP TRACK OF ANY PERSONAL MILEAGE NOW? YES. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE FORMS THAT KEEP TRACK OF PERSONAL MILEAGE? YES. SO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS. SO IS THAT ACCURATE THAT HE HAS DOCUMENTS? KEEP CHECKING PERSONAL MILEAGE. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE TALKING THE 1 VEHICLE.
PERSONAL USE AT ALL. WE TRACK MILEAGE FOR MAINTENANCE AND MILEAGE FOR FUEL.
SO OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T YEAH, I'M NOT SURE [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION.
DON'T ANSWER IT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT TO BREAK DOWN.
WHEN I WAS ON PATROL, I MIGHT HAVE STOPPED AT TOPS ON THE WAY HOME.
YES. AND I WOULD GET 100 THANK YOUS OR SMILES OR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BUT I PASSED. THAT TOPS EVERY DAY AND THE WAY WE WORK AS A DEPARTMENT.
IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY. I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE PERSONAL USE AND WHEN IT'S NOT PERSONAL USE AND PERSONAL USE, AND WHEN YOU'RE CALLED IN FOR A CALL, BECAUSE WE HAVE DEPUTIES THAT GET OFF SHIFT TO GO RIGHT BACK ON SHIFT, THEY GET HALFWAY HOME, THEY GET CALLED TO ANOTHER DISTRICT, THEY GET CALLED TO ANOTHER CALL, THEY PASS AN ACCIDENT CAR. SO YOU WANT THEM TO LOG EVERY, EVERY MINUTE AND HOW THAT'S JUST NOT TO LOG EVERY MINUTE YOU'RE USING THE CAR.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ENVISION. I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO A CALL AFTER THEY'VE BEEN HOME OR BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE SWAT TEAM, OR BECAUSE YOU'RE A SVU DETECTIVE, OR BECAUSE THEY'RE A DETECTIVE GOING TO DEAL WITH A HOMICIDE.WHEN DO YOU SWITCH THE CLOCK ON AND OFF? IF THEY'RE.
YOU SHOULD BE SAYING THANK YOU TO THE DEPUTIES THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE HOME THE CAR.
THOSE ARE THE REALITIES. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLAYING POLITICAL GAMES RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH, WITH THIS LEGISLATOR, WE GOT BIGGER, BIGGER ISSUES.
OKAY. AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU TELL ME ABOUT SENDING OVER, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS AND SOMETHING WE SPEND 3 QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION DOING A JAIL STUDY.
OUR PEOPLE DID A LOT OF MAN HOURS OF COMPILING INFORMATION, DATA.
WE THEY CAME OUT WITH A STUDY IN MAY OF LAST YEAR AND IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU TOLD ME RIGHT HERE IN THIS IN THIS ROOM THAT YOU HADN'T READ IT.
THAT'S EMBARRASSING. I'M TELLING YOU. RIGHT. WE CAN'T AFFORD A $3 MILLION JAIL RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU NEVER READ THE STUDY. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE A VORACIOUS READER.
HE NEVER READ THE STUDY. YEAH. SO I'LL SEND YOU MORE INFORMATION.
THE CONTROLLER HAS ALL THE INFORMATION. AND THEN HAVE YOU READ THAT? ALL HIS INFORMATION. YEAH, I HAVE THE AUDIT DOCUMENTS.
WE WENT OVER WITH THE SHERIFF. THE PAPERWORK, THE THOUSANDS OF PAGES THAT WE WE SENT.
WE WE MET WITH THE PARTS THAT WEREN'T LISTED AS CONFIDENTIAL.
ALL RIGHT. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE THE SOMEONE IN THE THAT WORKS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT COULD DO THAT WOULD RESULT IN THEM TAKING AWAY THEIR RIGHT, THEIR PRIVILEGE TO HAVE A CAR SUCH AS A DWI OR.
ANY OFF DUTY USE OF AN ASSIGNED VEHICLE THAT COMPROMISES THE PROFESSIONAL IMAGE OF THE AGENCY WILL CAUSE FOR REVOKING THE ASSIGNED VEHICLE PRIVILEGE AND COULD RESULT IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION.
1 MORE QUESTION. OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS [INAUDIBLE] TO DATE, HAVE YOU DONE THAT WITH ANYONE.
I'M SORRY. HAVE YOU REMOVED SOMEONE FROM USING A CAR FOR PERSONAL USE? THAT HAD ANY THINGS THAT INVADED THE COMPANY THEY WOULD REMOVE SOMEONE FROM? IN 5 YEARS, WE'VE HAD SOME FENDER BENDERS AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKEN, YOU KNOW HAD PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION CASES ON THEM. AND WE TAKE THE, WE'VE TAKEN THE NECESSARY ACTIONS.
OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE FINAL QUESTION IS WITH THE NEW POLICY THAT YOU HAVE SAYING THAT SOMEONE CAN NOT CALL INTO WORK, BUT THEN AFTER THE FACT, SAY I WAS WORKING FOR A NUMBER OF HOURS BY HELPING A CITIZEN OR PREVENTING CRIME.
THOSE SEEM VERY BROAD AND HARD TO BUDGET THAT PERSON, THAT PERSON.
ANYBODY THAT COMES ACROSS, LET'S SAY YOU'RE OFF DUTY, YOU'RE HEADED HOME, AND YOU COME ACROSS A STRANDED MOTORIST, A FLIGHT, WHATEVER. IT'S. AFTER WORKING 12 HOURS ON ANY JOB TO.
FOR THEM TO ENGAGE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.
THE WATCH COMMANDER DETERMINES IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE.
LET'S SAY OUR PRIMARY LAW ENFORCEMENT AREA IN THEY'RE IN AMHERST OR HAMBURG.
THEY CALL THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT TO SEND A CAR OVER.
THEY WAIT UNTIL THEY GO. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, THEY NEVER PUT IN FOR ANYTHING.
SO IF YOU'RE ACCUSING DEPUTIES OF STEALING AND YOU JUST SAID IT.
I'M SAYING THAT NOW WITH THIS NEW POLICY. NO, IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
PARDON? IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE STOPPED.
AND I SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, BECAUSE THE ERIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WITH THE SHINING STAR OF ANY AND ALL COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICES IN NEW YORK STATE AND THAT'S THE REPUTATION WE HAVE WITH EVERYONE EXCEPT YOURSELF, LEGISLATOR.
AND THEY PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN A LOT OF HOURS.
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SHIFTS ARE SCHEDULED SHIFTS, HOURS ARE SIGNED OFF ON BY LIEUTENANTS AND CAPTAINS AND CHIEFS.TRAFFIC IS CALLED IN, AND OTHER OTHER UNITS ARE CALLED IN BUT THAT'S ALL GENERATED FROM A SITUATION.
IT'S ALL GENERATED FROM A 911 CALL OR SOMETHING THAT STARTED THERE.
SO THE ASSUMPTION THAT DEPUTIES ARE JUST HOPPING IN THEIR POLICE VEHICLES AND DRIVING AROUND AND CHARGING OVERTIME, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING. AND I CAN ALSO SAY, I CAN ALSO SAY FOR.
I'M SORRY. I'M SAYING I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS IN THE PAST BECAUSE YOU SAID.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, NOT ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL IN THAT PERSON WHO GETS HIM OR HER. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE JUMPING IN THEIR CARS OR GOING TO WORK WHEN THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO? SAYING THAT WHEN YOU CAME HERE BEFORE, YOU SAID THAT BEFORE.
IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL RULE THAT BEFORE SOMEBODY STARTS WORKING, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL UP AND SAY, I'M WORKING, I'M ON THE CLOCK. NOW, THIS NEW POLICY DOESN'T SAY THAT.
IT SAYS THAT. WELL, AS I WAS SAYING TO LEGISLATORS, SAINT JOHN, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT MORE DETAILS IN THERE. I'M NOT AGAINST BEING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE DETAILS IN THERE, BUT THIS KIND OF TRUMPS EVERYTHING RIGHT HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO SOMETHING UNPROFESSIONAL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US.
LEGISLATOR, WE HAVE 177 DEPUTIES, AND THEY'RE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN, AND THEY WORK THEIR BUTT OFF AND WE COVER 1000MI² WITH 177 DEPUTIES. MONROE COUNTY IS SMALLER. THEY HAVE 500 DEPUTIES.
YOUR TOWN HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR 50MI² WITH THE SAME BUDGET.
HEY, LISTEN, IF THERE'S THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE, AND I'M I'M WILLING TO DO IT.
I WANT TO LEAVE THIS OFFICE IN A BETTER PLACE THAN I FOUND IT.
SO SOMEDAY ALL OF US WON'T BE HERE. AND I WANT TO SAY I DID A HELL OF A JOB.
AND WE'VE DONE VERY BIG, BIG LIFTS WITHIN THE JAIL AND OUTSIDE.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE JAIL WAS VERY EXPENSIVE AND AND I AGREE WITH YOU AS A TAXPAYER AND I JUST SAID MY TAXES, OH MY GOD. AND I DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, TAXES ARE IMPORTANT.
I'M A TAXPAYER. I'M VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER LEGISLATORS BARGNESI WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION AND THEN ALSO LORIGO WANT TO.
THIS IS THIS IS OUR NORMAL COURSE OF ACTION HERE LEGISLATOR.
THIS IS OUR PROFESSION. WHEN I GET LOUD, IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M AGITATED.
I CAN'T HEAR. I GOT HEARING AIDS, BUT I STILL CAN'T HEAR, SO MY TONE DON'T.
CRACK THE WINDOWS. I HAVE A QUESTION. ABOUT NON CONTROL TAKE HOME VEHICLES.
ACCORDING TO THE TAX LAW. SO NON PATROL PATROLMEN ARE EXEMPT, BUT NON PATROL TAKE HOME VEHICLES WHEN THEY USE IT FOR PERSONAL TIME HAS TO BE RECORDED AND SENT TO PERSONNEL BECAUSE IT CHANGES THEIR TAXABLE INCOME BECAUSE IT'S A BENEFIT THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING FROM THE COUNTY. IS THAT BEING DONE AND HOW IS THAT BEING DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TAX LAW.
I'M JUST SAYING THIS. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TAX LAW.
BUT WE HAVE 1 VEHICLE THAT'S TO A NON CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER OR POLICE OFFICER ONE.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WILL ADVISE THAT PERSON.
BUT NOW THAT I KNOW, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND.
NOT PEACE OFFICERS OR PATROL THE PATROL. SO ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS A TAXABLE INCOME, THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNTY TO REPORT TO PAYROLL BECAUSE IT'S A BENEFIT THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING BUT NOT BEING TAXED.
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IT CHANGES THEIR TAXABLE INCOME. IT'S A BENEFIT THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING.AND I THINK THOSE THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT THAT THAT APPLIES, I BELIEVE NOT ONLY I BELIEVE IT COULD BE WRONG TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT ALL DEPARTMENTS. I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT I'M NOT 100% BECAUSE I ONLY LIVE FOR PATROLLING.
YEAH. SO IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY THAT THOSE NUMBERS HAVE TO BE REPORTED TO PAYROLL.
OKAY. SO I YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO OR ANY, ANY ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS A SUPERINTENDENT.
YEAH. THAT IS PERSONAL USE THAT HAS TO BE REPORTED BECAUSE THEY'RE RECEIVING A BENEFIT FROM US.
THE COUNTY THAT HAS TO BE TAXED. IT RAISES THEIR TAXES.
DID YOU LET THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE KNOW THAT THAT HE HAS TO PUT IT ON HIS TAXES? I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS DEAL BECAUSE HE'S NOT A PATROLMAN.
I'M NOT. I'M SORRY. THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DOESN'T HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.
OH, THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WE DON'T DO THAT. THIS IS MY QUESTION.
OR WE DO DO THAT. OKAY. WE WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS AS WELL.
SO AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY. OKAY. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO STRESS THIS PERSONAL USE THING LIKE EVERYONE'S DRIVING VEHICLES AROUND IN TIME OUT, RIGHT? I PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I PAY $650 FOR A PICKUP TRUCK THAT I BARELY DRIVE, AND I MAKE THAT PAYMENT EVERY MONTH.
I LOOK FOR REASONS IN DRIVING THE TRUCK BECAUSE I MAKE THAT PAYMENT EVERY MONTH.
I LIVE AT WORK BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE THERE.
UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT WHAT'S COVERED AND WHAT'S NOT COVERED.
AND THEN EVEN LOOKING BACK ON THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT DRIVING VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH AND STUFF, IS THAT THE WAY BECAUSE WE DON'T ALL HAVE AN OFFICE WHERE WE WORK AND WE PATROL THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
WE USUALLY START OUR SHIFT IN OUR DRIVEWAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT WE END UP SHIFTING, ALMA AND I DRIVE HOME TO ORCHARD PARK, AND I'M AT LOWE'S AND TOPS AND PACKING GROCERIES.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D BE EMBARRASSED IF I WAS IN UNIFORM DOING THAT.
IF I STOPPED IN FOR SOME MILK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SOMETHING SMALL, THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE NOT JUST DRIVING AROUND WITH THESE CARS.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE POLICE INTERCEPTOR PURSUIT VEHICLES.
THEY'RE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. THEY'RE NOT THE CAR YOU TAKE YOUR FAMILY EDUCATION TO.
SO. BUT WE'LL DEFINE THE TAX LAW. WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. I'LL BE ABLE TO CONFER WITH THE THE TEAMSTERS UNION TO SEE HOW THEIR MEMBERS THAT WORK IN THE JAIL, THERE ARE CANINES HAVE BEEN DOING IT AND THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL GET BACK TO YOU OR MYSELF WITH THE DETAILS YOU KNOW, A CANINE TAKING HIS DOG HOME.
IF HE HAS TO OR SHE HAS TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, MILEAGE AND, AND A BENEFIT FOR TAKING A DOG HOME.
I, I'M SO GLAD THAT SOMEBODY, FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE THE JOB.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WANT TO BE A CANINE OFFICER.
WELL, LEGISLATOR, YOU'RE DOING FEDERAL TAX LAW NOW.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS. IT'S A REQUIREMENT ON US.
YEAH I KNOW, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VEHICLE POLICY.
I YOU NEVER NOBODY MENTIONED ABOUT FEDERAL TAX LAW.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. WELL, IT'S UP TO EACH DEPARTMENT TO REPORT.
SO I WILL LET THE TEAM KNOW TO TELL THEIR MEMBERS HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.
LEGISLATORS HAVE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOU GUYS TODAY IF THAT'S OKAY AND THEN IF YOU COME BACK ANOTHER DAY AND THEN SO I HAVE BEEN WAITING. SO THEN I'LL HAVE MY SAY AFTER LORIGO.
SO DIEGO LAW IS KIND OF THE, THE LAW FIRM THAT CREATES A LOT OF THE POLICIES, PROCEDURES, BEST PRACTICES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CHECKED WITH THE ERIE COUNTY LAW DEPARTMENT ON WHO TO,
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TO DO THIS AND THEY CAME UP WITH THIS. NOW A LOT OF IT IS GUIDELINES LEGISLATOR.AND LIKE I SAID TO LEGISLATOR SAINT JOHN, THIS, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS IN IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IRS AND FEDERAL.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW AND YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THE IRS THING IS GOING TO AFFECT NOT ONLY THE ERIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT PROBABLY EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT THROUGHOUT THE, THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW, BUT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY FROM TONAWANDA TO AMHERST TO EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY ABOUT IF YOU'RE NOT A PATROLMAN, JUST A PEACE OFFICER, BECAUSE THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS ARE NOW POLICE OFFICERS AND THEIR COMMAND STAFF TAKES CARS HOME.
SO THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ANSWER, I GUESS I'M SAYING.
YEAH. WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I IN MY REAL LIFE, IN MY OTHER JOB, I HAVE A RULE WITH MY TEAM THAT WE SAY, WHEN IT'S ENOUGH, LET'S MOVE ON AND I THINK WITH THE IRS PIECE, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S ENOUGH ON THAT. LET'S MOVE ON. I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THAT.
YEAH. I JUST WANT TO KNOW. SO THE LAW FIRM THAT DRAFTED THIS POLICY, THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED DRAFTING POLICIES LIKE THIS NATIONWIDE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY RECOMMEND. THIS IS WHAT THEY DRAFTED.
WE DID SOME TWEAKS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STOOD OUT AS, YOU KNOW LEGISLATOR SAINT JOHN POINTED OUT. SAINT JEAN TARD.
LEGISLATOR CAN I MAYBE SHED A LITTLE MORE LIGHT ON THEM? SO THIS IS A CONNECTICUT BASED LAW GROUP, APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12 LAWYERS AND CONSULTANTS ON STAFF WHO ALL HAVE SOME BACKGROUND IN EITHER LAW ENFORCEMENT SPECIFICALLY OR SOME SORT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE RELATED FIELD, DECADES AND CENTURIES OF EXPERIENCE BEHIND THEM COMBINED.
SO THIS IS CRAFTED BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED NATIONWIDE DOING SHERIFF'S POLICY.
THAT'S CORRECT MA'AM. AND THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO GO OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF IS WE WILL BE SPEAKING WITH THEM ABOUT POLICIES WE'RE LOOKING TO DRAFT. THEY WILL SEND US A DRAFT, WE'LL REVIEW IT.
WE WILL GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM ON OUR THOUGHTS ON IT.
IF WE THINK THAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE, WE'LL ASK THEM IF IT STILL COMPLIES WITH BEST PRACTICES.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING PREVIOUS TO SHERIFF GARCIA TAKING OFFICE.
IT IS HAPPENING NOW. AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT AND THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED.
YOU KNOW, EVEN AS WE SIT HERE AND WE HAVE THIS SUB COMMITTEE, I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT I'M AN EXPERT IN FLEET. I'M GOING TO ASK COMMISSIONER GEARY AND HIS FLEET MANAGER WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS GETTING WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO YOUR JOB.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK A CLARIFYING POINT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I DID READ THE POLICY AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERSONAL USE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STOPPING AT WEGMANS OR WHEREVER ON OUR WAY HOME.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT SECTION 2 AND IF YOU READ IT CAREFULLY, IT SAYS EMPLOYEES WHO RESIDE OUTSIDE OF ERIE COUNTY, BUT WITHIN 2020 MILE LIMIT. SO THESE ARE PERSONAL USE VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING.
WITHIN 20 MILES, THEY CAN STOP ON THEIR WAY HOME.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN HERE FOR THAT. I THINK I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS TO TAKE THAT OUT.
BUT THEN IT IS YOUR JOB AS THE SHERIFF TO DISCIPLINE.
RESPECTFULLY DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THERE. BUT I, I ALSO KNOW, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO OTHER LEGISLATORS THAT HAVE MADE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT POLICY THAT SAYS IN SECTION E ABOUT RESTRICTING VEHICLES CAN BE USED.
IF ANY ALCOHOL HAS BEEN CONSUMED. FANTASTIC. PUT IT IN WRITING.
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I THINK IT IS GOOD TO SEE A POLICY LIKE THIS DRAFTED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD.I DO HAVE 1. I HAVE 2 MORE QUESTIONS. 1 IS JUST A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
IN THAT PERSONAL USE SECTION, IT SAYS THAT DEPUTIES WHO RESIDE WITHIN ERIE COUNTY AND HAVE SPECIALIZED TECHNICAL, INVESTIGATIVE OR COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES. WHAT ARE COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
YOUR MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY. THE ACOUSTICS ARE IN HERE.
YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT THERE. I WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU WITHOUT IT. I'M SORRY. I WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR. YOU KNOW, I KNOW. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE CHIEFS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ANSWERING ALL THE CALLS THAT ARE MAJOR INCIDENTS.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT THE CALLS. THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, YOU SOMETIMES HAVE TO HAVE CAPTAINS, LIEUTENANTS. IT'S ALL LEADERSHIP SUPERVISION.
THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF POLICING, IS TO HAVE A SUPERVISOR TO ENSURE THAT BEST PRACTICES ARE BEING PERFORMED, RECORDED. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT IT THAT WAY, IT SOUNDS VERY OBVIOUS, BUT JUST READING THAT IS NOT AN EXPERT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M WILLING TO DO SO.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I BELIEVE, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT OUR DEPUTIES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
WE'RE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY AND ANYBODY THAT'S GONE FROM HERE TO NEW TO BRAND TO THE SENECA NATION OF INDIANS, THAT'S HOW FAR WE'RE GOING. SARDINIA. WE'RE NOT IN A TOWN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN THE CITY OF BUFFALO.
WE'RE NOT IN A TOWN, WE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE TO RESPOND.
SO IT COMES WITH A BENEFIT, BUT IT COMES WITH A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU'RE ON CALL.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SAID THAT AND SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO RESPOND TO ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I THINK THE ASSUMPTION WE'RE MAKING, AN ASSUMPTION THAT DEPUTIES ARE EXCITED TO JUMP IN THEIR PERSONAL TAKE HOME VEHICLE, BECAUSE THE SECOND THAT RADIO GOES OFF, YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO A CALL. I DON'T I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
I'M SURE YOU KNOW, YOUR WIFE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT EITHER. AND UNLIKE MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THEM, WHEN YOU'RE NOT THERE, IT'S NEXT WOMAN OR MAN UP.
OKAY. WE HAVE MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, SO IF IF AARON CAN'T SHOW UP, THEN THE NEXT DEPUTY FROM THEIR HOUSE GETS CALLED IN, MANDATED, THEY'RE IN THEIR CAR, THEY RESPOND IMMEDIATELY TO THE DISTRICT TO ANSWER CALLS BECAUSE THEY GET SICK AND THEIR FAMILIES GET SICK.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS POLICY IS THIS COMMITTEE.
YOU CAN'T WE HAVE TO TAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE GUARDRAILS ARE GOING TO BE FOLLOWED AND THAT THINGS UP TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, IF THEY AREN'T TO DEAL WITH IT. YEAH. AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A VAST MAJORITY OF THESE DEPUTIES ARE ABUSING THIS.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A CRUTCH WHEN THEY TAKE THESE VEHICLES HOME AND HAVE TO MAKE THESE STOPS ON THE WAY OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO ANSWER THESE CALLS OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOURS THAN IT IS A PRIVILEGE.
I DO JUST HAVE 1 MORE QUESTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, THAT'S OKAY. BUT WITH THE COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] HERE, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE FUEL POLICY, ARE YOU FOLLOWING? BECAUSE I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT IT WHEN HE WAS HERE TALKING TO US.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE SAME POLICY THAT DPW FOLLOWS WITH, LIKE THE FOBS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
IT'S IN PLACE. BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IN MEETING WITH COMMISSIONERS, GARY AND MIRABELLI IS.
I WANT OUR TEAM TO TAKE OVER THE DATA OF THE GAS BUOY DATA SO WE COULD KEEP TRACK OF EACH DEPUTIES CONSUMPTION OF FUEL. OKAY.
AND I WAS IN HERE ONE DAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SCANNING IN AND SCANNING OUT IN THE JAIL.
AND THE DIRECTOR CORNELL MENTIONED HOW WE HADN'T IMPLEMENTED THAT BECAUSE OF THE COST AND NOT HAVING A VENDOR YET. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT IT COSTS MONEY.
SO UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS POLICY.
IF THIS BODY WANTS TO SPEND ON EACH DISTRICT BEING LIT, FENCED, SECURED, MANNED INSTEAD OF COSTING US 0 DOING IT THIS WAY, THEN WE'LL CHANGE OUR POLICIES AND ACTUALLY,
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YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DEPUTIES, THEY WON'T CARE.BECAUSE TAKING TAKING HOME A MARKED CAR BRINGS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKED UPON BY EVERYBODY. AND IF YOU DO ANYTHING, THEN IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY.
SO YOU KNOW, BUT I EXPECT THEM TO RESPOND. LEGISLATOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY HAVE 177, WHICH I THINK IS INCREDIBLE.
THE WORK THEY DO. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THEM.
HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO STOP. AND FINAL QUESTION IS FROM MEYERS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SHERIFF FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FLEET POLICY, BUT WE GOT INTO THIS IRS STUFF. SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
LEGISLATOR BARGNESI BROUGHT UP VINAL ABOUT THE PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO KNOW TO ADJUST.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IT'S BEEN SAID HERE THAT IT GOES TO THE PERSONNEL DIRECTOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HAVE THE PERSONNEL DIRECTOR.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH. THAT'S WHAT. I MEAN. HE'S HERE NOW, BUT WE ALREADY SAID YEAH, BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS MY POINT.
THAT WAS MY POINT THAT I WAS NOT. YES, YES, IT WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THE SHERIFF TOOK OVER. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE.
YEAH. NO, WE HAVE CERTIFIED POLICE. WE HAVE CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICERS.
WE HAVE 1 CIVILIAN THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, YEAH, IF THAT'S THE RULE AND THAT'S THE LAW FOR THE IRS, FOR THEM TO DO THAT, THEN THAT'S THE LAW FOR EVERYONE.
IT. AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAD A TAKE HOME CAR.
I IMAGINE NOW I KNOW HE DOESN'T. SO, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT PART ABOUT BRINGING HIS NAME UP.
BUT LET'S FACE IT, THERE'S A LOT OF PERSONNEL IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICERS AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE IRS LAW AND I WASN'T HERE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
BUT IF IF THIS BODY WANTS TO PUT THE THUMB DOWN ON ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE MAKING NO MONEY, THEN SO BE IT. WE HAVE 1. I'M JUST MY QUESTION IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT, HOW MANY OF THEM DID THAT? THAT'S ALL I NEED.
YEAH. AND IT'S NOT FOR YOU. THAT'S I'M TALKING TO THE CONTROLLER HAS A QUESTION.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, YOU'LL FIND THAT IF YOU IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE AUDIT.
SO WE DID, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.
WE DID LOOK AT IT AND IT SHOULD BE THERE ALREADY.
WE DID IN SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS DO REPORT. MOST DEPARTMENTS.
YEAH. TAKE CARE OF YOU DEPARTMENTS. THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT ALREADY REPORT.
CORRECT. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK JOE FIEGEL WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY TO SPEAK TO YOU, AND HE WAS 1. I THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE THERE'S A PHOTO OF OR THERE'S A REFERENCE TO IT IN THE AUDIT THAT IS REPORTED ON HIS PAY STUB AND HE DOES HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE, RIGHTLY SO, AS THE DIRECTOR OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT, SO THAT THE INFORMATION SENT OVER TO PERSONNEL AND THAT'S ADJUSTED.
YES. CORRECT. SO IT'S BEEN WE'VE BEEN DOING IT COUNTYWIDE.
THE AUDIT NOTED. YOU KNOW, NOBODY WAS PERFECT.
BUT YES, THE MECHANISMS ARE AVAILABLE AND THERE ARE EMPLOYEES WITH VEHICLES THAT REPORT TO TO PERSONNEL AND IT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THEIR PAYCHECK. SO I WAS ACCURATE IN SAYING THAT IT'S A NONTAXABLE BENEFIT THAT HAS TO BE REPORTED.
CORRECT. IT'S A BENEFIT OF EMPLOYMENT. AND THEY REPORT IT. YEAH.
IT'S JUST IT'S THE IRS REGULATIONS, RIGHT? WE DON'T MAKE THEM.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T MAKE THEM. IT'S THE IRS. AND IF WE'RE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE. AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION. DO WE DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE ALREADY? I WASN'T YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS A COUNTY WIDE QUESTION.
MAYBE NOT. WELL, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN PERSONNEL ACCOUNT FOR THAT? IF WE. YEAH. THEY DO IT IN A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS.
OKAY. SO WE HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING. YES. OKAY. AND IT'S UP TO EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT THEN TO REPORT THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE COMMISSIONER PERSONNEL IS BEHIND ME SHAKING HIS HEAD, I WOULD IMAGINE.
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YES. IT IS REPORTED BY THE DEPARTMENT'S. UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT THEN TO REPORT THEIR FINDINGS FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.THANK YOU. SHERIFF'S JUST AND MAYBE THE SERGEANT CAN ANSWER.
DO YOU GUYS USE THE SYSTEM'S APP TO LOG ALL YOUR VEHICLE'S.
SYSTEMS APP. OH. THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE LOGGING OUR VEHICLES IN? YES. DO YOU GUYS USE THAT SPECIFICALLY? OH RIGHT? EVEN WHEN YOU DO THE LEASES. NO, THE LEASE ONES ARE NOT.
NOT IN THERE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT IN THE LEASES? JUST SO WE KNOW, IT'S UP TO. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THAT'S EVEN SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO EXPLORE.
I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY DISCUSS IT. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT FALLS ON JOE MIRABELLI AND COMMISSSSIONER GARIN.
BUT WE HAVE THE 750 LEASED VEHICLES. THOSE AREN'T ASSETS.
OKAY. BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THEM. RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PAID OUT OF THE RENTAL LINE ITEM.
BUT FOR NON LEASED VEHICLES THOSE ARE. AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THEY'RE SEPARATE DATABASES AND JUST FOR MY THOUGHT PROCESS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CENTRALIZE MAYBE, SO WE KNOW EXACTLY AS MANY VEHICLES.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING.
SO AS LONG AS WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATION MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS, AS I'M DRAFTING THIS UP, IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU LEGISLATOR. YEAH. THANK YOU LEGISLATORS.
JAMIE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. APPRECIATE IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.